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Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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The demo video touts them as "eco-friendly", and I'm assuming they mean relative to traditional pneumatic tires, so how are they actually better in that regard?

Normal tires are terrible to recycle. You have to grind them up, sift out all the metal pieces, and then you have some poor quality recycled rubber to use for something.

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I'd be interested in better efficiency and lower operating cost. As for safety, I'd have to see the stats on how often modern tires blow out. And a demonstration that lower operating costs on the tires doesn't translate into higher costs for maintaining other components such as bearings and suspension.

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> The series of “rigorous tests” that the company is putting its tires through are meant to prove their durability, hardness (efficiency), stability, ability to take high-speed turns (slalom), and ability to maintain their integrity at high speeds (up to 130 kilometers per hour). That's only 80 MPH. I'm interested in the no flats and potential fuel savings but I'd want to be able to travel at freeway speeds on long t…

What exactly do you consider freeway speeds? Even in the metro ATL area which is notorious for thinking the speed limit is a suggestion, the vast majority of traffic is moving under 85 MPH.

People may push to 90 or 100 for very short, infrequent periods. Even a 2002 station wagon is perfectly capable of doing that - you wouldn't expect the tires to just fail at any speed the car is capable of attaining.

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Inb4 congress tries to pass a law prohibiting them because they can be used by villains to defeat LEO's spike strips.

Wouldn't run-flat tires then already be banned?

No. The purpose of run-flat tires are to get you to pull off the road safely, or travel a small number of miles at low speeds to somewhere where you could have a replacement mounted and installed immediately. They are not intended to run without air for extended periods of time, or at highway speeds. They are also not to be driven on AT ALL in the event of a sidewall puncture.

The casing would still fail catastrophically at high speeds (i.e. pursuit scenario), and having a tire down over 30psi on one wheel would very seriously affect handling at any significant speed (40mph or more).

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#35
post #8

> The series of “rigorous tests” that the company is putting its tires through are meant to prove their durability, hardness (efficiency), stability, ability to take high-speed turns (slalom), and ability to maintain their integrity at high speeds (up to 130 kilometers per hour). That's only 80 MPH. I'm interested in the no flats and potential fuel savings but I'd want to be able to travel at freeway speeds on long t…

What exactly do you consider freeway speeds? Even in the metro ATL area which is notorious for thinking the speed limit is a suggestion, the vast majority of traffic is moving under 85 MPH.

During passing it's easy to push above 80 mph (the quoted rated speed for these tires) and for many freeways 80-85 is just the flow of traffic. Either way I'd rather not operate near the failure point of anything while driving long distances.

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#36

Would love to see a bicycle tire with this. Way too many glass pieces on bike lanes :-(

We were given some airless tires a few years ago by two different manufacturers to test on some bicycle trailers. Our experience was the tires performed find when the trailers were empty, but the rolling resistance was noticeably higher than a pneumatic tire when the trailer was loaded--so much more, in fact, that we discarded them immediately after the test.

I think the best solution is to use pneumatic tires with a Kevlar liner built into the tire casting.

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#37
post #8

> The series of “rigorous tests” that the company is putting its tires through are meant to prove their durability, hardness (efficiency), stability, ability to take high-speed turns (slalom), and ability to maintain their integrity at high speeds (up to 130 kilometers per hour). That's only 80 MPH. I'm interested in the no flats and potential fuel savings but I'd want to be able to travel at freeway speeds on long t…

What exactly do you consider freeway speeds? Even in the metro ATL area which is notorious for thinking the speed limit is a suggestion, the vast majority of traffic is moving under 85 MPH.

I've driven in an 80MPH zone near Tulsa

Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

#38
post #8

> The series of “rigorous tests” that the company is putting its tires through are meant to prove their durability, hardness (efficiency), stability, ability to take high-speed turns (slalom), and ability to maintain their integrity at high speeds (up to 130 kilometers per hour). That's only 80 MPH. I'm interested in the no flats and potential fuel savings but I'd want to be able to travel at freeway speeds on long t…

It seems possible to me that 80 mph is a milestone that's been hit - not the final rating. Stability at 80 mph is probably better than they've done before, so they can push to the next milestone.

Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

#39
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I am pretty happy with my run flat tires on my bmw, even after a blowout they remain normal and handling is near normal as well, plus you can drive like 100miles and 50mph to a nearest tire shop. The only downside is they are more expensive and sometimes if you cought nail close to a tire sidewall it means you I'll have to replace a tire since it's not fixable

And they ride more harshly, are less compliant, are heavier (look at how much some spend on light-weight rims; tires are even further from the center of the wheel), more expensive, can get bent / dented, and rely on finicky tire pressure monitoring systems.

They might be heavier but they allow you to get rid of a spare wheel, so overall the car is lighter.

Re: Airless Tires Roll Towards Consumer Vehicles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 3D printer could be used to create the mold for the rubber perhaps.

You can easily do a lost-wax process with a 3D printer. (Although getting the precision may be difficult.)

Some folks have already moved on to a lost PLA casting process. I've seen some pretty decent results.

http://3dtopo.com/lostPLA/

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