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Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet
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#82The situation at reddit is appalling and the death threats and egregious harassment against Pao were wrong, and likely illegal in some cases.
That said, my opinion of her is that she is far from the champion that this battle needs. I believe that the most common view of Pao is not too savory, between her husbands ponzi scheme, the details that came out of the KPCB trial and the plethora of other poor decision taken by her, she has made it easy to find faults with her character.
Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet
#83From what i've seen on reddit, twitter, and sometimes even on hn, some are quick to label people whose opinion differs from theirs as trolls. It doesn't matter if it is a polite or well-though out comment, they are quick to shout the word harassment or whatever -ist allows them to hold some moral high ground.
Pao had thousands of people calling her a ching-chong cunt. Why do you think your comment is relevant to this thread?
How many thousands of people weren't? Was it statistically significant? Or is this another case of focusing on the insignificant [0] http://i.imgur.com/lTMU3Vy.png
Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pao had thousands of people calling her a ching-chong cunt. Why do you think your comment is relevant to this thread?
"Pao had thousands of people calling her a ching-chong cunt." Is this a known/established fact? I see in the article a paragraph about how she received thousands of positive notes/emails but nothing about the # or volume of hate. It may not be documented here, but I'm curious if it was actually as widespread as implied.
Maybe it was only hundreds of people using ten accounts each, but you only have to look at her comment history to see all the messages.
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#85i just think its dumb how people want to "change" the internet, or anything for that matter. its not a tamable creature, its anarchy and chaos and humanity in all of its glory, good or bad.
it bothers me when people say we need to take something off the internet... no really, we dont, it was put there for a reason, no matter how misguided that reason may be. hate speech, no matter how distasteful is still free speech. dont want to see it on reddit, dont look for it! i mean quite frankly, if you are fat and self conscious, going to a "fat haters" forum is probably going to end poorly for you.
as for her statistic about 40% of internet users saying they have been bullied... welcome to the real world lady! run that same quiz in a random highschool and i'd bet its double that percentage... people are mean. why should the internet not reflect real life? art imitates life.
it also bothers me these people saying we need to change hiring practices and other such nonsense. many things self regulate, leave them alone.
Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet
#86Does anybody remember when trolling was a term used to describe an activity in which users wielding enough understanding of other's perspectives would attempt to give other's cognitive dissonance? It seems that one of the most powerful online political classes have lumped hatred and abuse in with disagreement, mockery and satire. I don't think it's good for the conversation between the group of user's that dislike wh…
I miss those days when I was proud to be a troll, when it meant tricking people into thinking in ways that they normally wouldn't. People used to love trolls! Of course, it didn't just mean that. There were also troll raids when friends would get together and make silly comments on every thread they could find, crashing the party but having fun with it. The incendiary ones used to be called flamers, but I think that term is too trollish to use against trolls these days.
Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet
#87Given her past, Ellen Pao is not very credible. Her opinion seems part of her self serving rhetoric that is now focused on presenting herself as a martyr.
Incivility has always been a problem in human society--it's magnified by the internet, because of the lack of consequences.
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#88Rule #1: Never feed the trolls. She has just given them a feast. I miss FidoNet, it used to be so easy to shut down abuse and the conversations were so much more thoughtful. I wonder if we can ever get that back.
Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet
#89Trolls used to mean (and I think still does mean) a person who attempts to voice an opinion they don't hold with the intent of invoking a negative reaction out of someone else. Most of the folks spewing bile at Ellen Pao probably don't actually hate her, but can't help seeing their actions have an effect. Trolls don't win if you ignore them -- the shitshow that's been Reddit this past month is almost entirely because…
http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/troller.htm
It referred to trolling the way fishermen troll for fish.
It didn't really have anything to do with the "ogre" definition of troll, but that's what it means in most people's minds now.
Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet
#90I'm going to disagree. I've been in IRC, Forums, Newsgroups, lurked 4Chan, Reddit, and Slashdot for years. It has actually been evolving to a point, especially among the younger crowd to get bent out of shape about essentially nothing. Maybe that is because more of our lives are online than before, but if you were to go through Twitter and Tumblr and just browse around it is a huge mess of people constantly being off…
Does "Just don't feed the trolls" continue to work in a world where trolls know that SWATting someone is as easy as picking up a phone, and doxxing someone can have significant long-term consequences?