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Ask HN: Freelancers in the US: What do you do for health insurance?

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Re: Ask HN: Freelancers in the US: What do you do for health insurance?

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Pre ACA for a 30 year old non smoker with zero heath problems my plan was over 500$/month. Granted, VA health costs are probably higher, but that's a long way from 84$/month. Can you give details such as a link to the actual coverage?

https://www.priorityhealth.com/plans/individual-family/mypri...

Ok, zero coverage for out of network health care that’s a great way to end up bankrupt if you have an accident on vacation. Add in the 6,400$ deductible it's really not a good deal IMO, but I can see why someone might chose it.

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What Beached is saying is that he's not driving a car yet . You don't have to pay for car insurance when you don't have a car.

This^

Prenatal care like vaccinations more than pay for themselves at the societal level. I can see the argument for keeping the government out of healthcare, but this really does fall under moral hazard.

Also, if a female can go from no prenatal care to prenatal care then there going to swap from one to the other when they decide to have kids which would distort the market. In the end it's the same reason you can't get insurance with and without support for specific diseases.

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Don't listen to politics in the comment. Here are some real life examples: I am married and have 2 kids. I got a gold plan through the marketplace for $1250 a month. I got no subsidies since I make more than is required. It's a pretty good plan but expensive. My last job which was pre-obamacare they were deducting $450 a month every 2 weeks for just my wife and I. So nothing really changed for me. On a sidenote my co…

$15,000 a year for insurance ... plus all the taxes we already pay. Wow. Is this in NY? I'm guessing it's a low deductible plan.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Beached is saying is that he's not driving a car yet . You don't have to pay for car insurance when you don't have a car.

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I guess the main problem is that pregnancy is considered a health insurance thing at all: it's going to come and birth, like schools, benefits society as a whole. But who pays for it?

If you are a single guy with no kids, do you also complain about property taxes funding public schools? After all you have no kids, you are paying for something you don't use. If you go single or DINK, then it is something you will never use.

Really, this is why I think single payer or just full-on nationalized health would work better in the end. Insurance is just another tax now, and there is no point to put private companies in the middle of it.

Re: Ask HN: Freelancers in the US: What do you do for health insurance?

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Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan. When we started out it only cost about $500/month. Jumped to $890 and deductible went to $23K with the affordable healthcare act. Basically, now we pay all of our health care out of pocket.

Have you looked at other plans since the ACA exchange went live? I've never seen an ACA plan with a deductible that high...

Briefly. In the old days you just called an insurance provider and a helpful person would come to your home and explain all the intricacies. Now you have to devote a couple of days to research on infuriatingly obtuse websites. As a free lancer time is really money.

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> a plan through Priority health on the market place cost 2x as much as the same plan purchase through the same insurer individually. ... On the market place, a qualifying plan must meet ALL ACA requirement Doesn't the ACA require all insurance plans to meet its standards? If there wasn't that requirement, why would insurance companies offer ACA-compliant plans? > I agree that per-existing conditions should not be de…

The problem is that in order to do true risk pooling, you need to be able to charge based on risk. The ACA (Obamacare) has eliminated much of that making the cost the same for everyone at a given level. And it turns out that many healthy people have continued to opt out and many of the new enrollees are people who couldn't get coverage elsewhere. None of this is a judgement, just the raw math of the situation. Here's…

> The problem is that in order to do true risk pooling, you need to be able to charge based on risk. The ACA (Obamacare) has eliminated much of that making the cost the same for everyone at a given level.

Why is that a problem? I'm not sure why a less diverse risk pool is inherently better than a more diverse one. Certainly I want very ill people to receive medical care, and it seems as broad as possible a risk pool facillitates that.

> it turns out that many healthy people have continued to opt out and many of the new enrollees are people who couldn't get coverage elsewhere.

Don't opt-outs have to pay the fine, which funds medical care regardless (or do those funds go elsewhere)? The fines might be less than insurance payments, but I'd assume they are all profit. The opt-outs consume generate zero claims and costs from insurers.

The paragraph you quote doesn't say healthy people are opting out; it says the insurance company is claiming higher costs than they expected and wants a rate increase. Their expectations could have been wrong, or they simply might want to raise rates and are making a case for it (or their claim could be legitimate, of course); I'd guess reality is some mix of the three.

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The Freelancers Union now offers health insurance ( https://www.freelancersunion.org/benefits/ ). NY was their pilot state.

I don't really understand why Freelancers Union is useful anymore. I thought the point of those "unions" were work-arounds to the old system where group rates were drastically cheaper.

But with the Affordable Care Act, individual plans are no longer medically underwritten, so how are those groups helpful?

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I am male, early thirties, married with children. We have a high-end ACA-compliant plan purchased directly from Florida Blue. At almost $1600/month, it's really freakin' expensive. But we have various health issues between us that make us uninsurable for any reasonable amount via individual plans, and that also mean we use a lot of health care. Prior to ACA, we had my wife and kids on a COBRA plan out of Maryland fro…

This is very interesting to me. It was my understanding that the rates were no longer jacked up, even if you had "various health issues". This is called Medical Underwriting and I thought it was forbidden by the ACA. It could be a state-by-state issue. Perhaps Florida is different?

When you applied for insurance, did they acquire your medical history?

1. http://kff.org/health-reform/perspective/how-buying-insuranc...

2. http://blog.rmhp.org/2013/12/sticker-shock-obamacare-and-the...

Re: Ask HN: Freelancers in the US: What do you do for health insurance?

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Don't listen to politics in the comment. Here are some real life examples: I am married and have 2 kids. I got a gold plan through the marketplace for $1250 a month. I got no subsidies since I make more than is required. It's a pretty good plan but expensive. My last job which was pre-obamacare they were deducting $450 a month every 2 weeks for just my wife and I. So nothing really changed for me. On a sidenote my co…

Can you clarify this: > deducting $450 a month every 2 weeks That is confusing/doesn't make sense.

$450 a deducted per paycheck. Paycheck every two weeks?
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