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Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by maratd »

Udik wrote: post #266
maratd wrote: post #258

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> You might want to repeat the exercise in one of the black quarters of New York, with a white guy walking alone through them for 10 hours Been there, done that. Nobody yelled anything at me or spat at me. > That's really a Kristallnacht situation here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack... It must all be my imagination.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack... . >It must all be my imagination. That was a terrorist attack, not racism. I'd never say that in the US there is a rampant racism just because a teenager went to a church full of black people and opened fire on them. That would add insult to injury. The whole France has been victim of that terrorist attack, just as the whole USA was victim of the Charl…

Terrorism, eh? Ok. Well, here's a comprehensive list of "terrorism" against Jews in Europe from the beginning of civilization until today, with a special focus on recent events:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Europe

Again, I'm sure it's just my imagination.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by rospaya »

rayiner wrote: post #95
bsaul wrote: post #64

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Out or curiosity, why does the (religious) iranian regime keeps calling USA "the great devil" then ? Ps :reading some answers, i know about the history of conflicts between usa and iran. I was just pointing the fact that calling Iran a "natural ally" is a bit of a stretch.

It's worth reading up on the structure of the government of Iran: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran . The Iranian President or Ayatollah is often portrayed as a dictator, but the reality is quite a bit more complicated than that. Iran has a functional civil service, with the office of the President, a parliament, and independent judiciary. Presidential candidates are vetted by the theocracy, but are elec…

> Presidential candidates are vetted by the theocracy, but are elected in pretty legitimate elections.

First of all, I wouldn't call any election in a country without free press and with severe censorship legitimate or fair.

Secondly, around a hundred people got killed protesting contested election results in 2009. The democracy Index ranks Iran among the 10 least democratic countries on the planet.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by Udik »

maratd wrote: post #271
Udik wrote: post #266

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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack... . >It must all be my imagination. That was a terrorist attack, not racism. I'd never say that in the US there is a rampant racism just because a teenager went to a church full of black people and opened fire on them. That would add insult to injury. The whole France has been victim of that terrorist attack, just as the whole USA was victim of the Charl…

Terrorism, eh? Ok. Well, here's a comprehensive list of "terrorism" against Jews in Europe from the beginning of civilization until today, with a special focus on recent events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Europe Again, I'm sure it's just my imagination.

It is. The vast majority of the recent events described in that page are either of political nature and directed towards Israel (a random one: "In January 2009, group of members of ruling Social Democrats (former Communists party) demanded a boycott of Israeli products because of the Gaza war") or completely trivial (some teenager writing something against Jews on a wall) or simply imaginary ("In 1998, Ignatz Bubis said that Jews could not live freely in Germany.") [pffft].

The fact is, Europeans are much stronger critics of Israel's actions than Americans are. And for very good reasons. The rhetoric of the supporters of Israel is to delegitimize political criticism labelling it as racism. That's why that WP page you just linked is full of trivial events, mixed with political statements, mixed with unverifiable opinion polls that purport to demonstrate that Europeans are evil racists. I'm sick of this bullshit.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by nnbvv »

Udik wrote: post #244
maratd wrote: post #215

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltyhmrIFgo

Oooh, the guy walked with a kippah on his head through the muslim quarters of Paris for 10 hours, and what he got? A few mocking comments from the racaille, and a "Vive Palestine!". That's really a Kristallnacht situation here. Given what Israel is doing in Palestine, I'd have expected more. You might want to repeat the exercise in one of the black quarters of New York, with a white guy walking alone through them for…

Haha, haven't been around many black people eh? I've lived in and walked around in many black neighbourhoods, and I have never had any bad experiences.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by mark_l_watson »

maratd wrote: post #201
dingaling wrote: post #196

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> rampant antisemitism Both Arabs and the tribes of Israel are Semitic people. I think you mean anti-Israeli. One can be opposed to the actions and policies of a state without referencing its inhabitants or their religious notions.

> I think you mean anti-Israeli. No, I think I mean anti-Jew. I don't think they care where the Jew comes from. > One can be opposed to the actions and policies of a state without referencing its inhabitants or their religious notions. Absolutely. But when those same actions and policies are undertaken by numerous other regimes in the region to a far worse degree and those same actions and policies are not criticized…

The phrase should be "anti Israeli government"

Seriously, few people are critical of people in other countries but many people are properly critical of governments. There are dozens of governments around the world that I disapprove of, but I wish blessings and a good life to the people in those countries.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by mark_l_watson »

Systemic33 wrote: post #158
maratd wrote: post #113

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> The unfaltering support given to Israel seems strange There's nothing strange about it. Yes, it is militarily aggressive and has to be considering the neighborhood. The support given is purely selfish as Israel is the only nation in the region which mirrors the values the US wishes to promote in the region, provides military support when needed, and a plethora of other various benefits which none of the other playe…

> with rampant antisemitism in Europe Because Israel isn't escalating this at all with the palestine conflict... Netanyahu is a warmongerer that keeps the conflict alive, because it serves his interests, in increasing antisemitism, resulting in jews feeling increasingly threatened, and starts to consider relocation to Israel, increasing support for Netanyahu.

To be fair, this is not all the Israel government's fault.

USA defense contractors make a ton of money, that originates with the U.S. tax payer, by selling weapon systems to Israel. Powerful economic interests in the USA want the unfortunate situation in that area to continue. There is a lot of money to be made in war, unfortunately.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by mark_l_watson »

bsaul wrote: post #51
lentil_soup wrote: post #27

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So you punish an entire group of people by weakening their economy until their government does what an external entity wants them to do?. Seems quite a violent approach.

That's only justified because trying to get a nuclear weapon has an impact on everyone's peace. Especially for a country that's been at war with its neighbours for the last 50 years at least, in a chaotic region filled with international terrorists groups and active war zones right at the moment.

I don't think that Iran has ever invaded another country in modern history, right?

I must admit some bias here: I am a U.S. Citizen and I firmly believe that better relations with Iran are in my country's best interest. I am biased in my country's best interest!

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by alexnewman »

bsaul wrote: post #64
skylan_q wrote: post #47

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Iran is a country much more aligned with the US in many more ways than Saudi Arabia is. It's really a "natural ally" for the US in the middle east.

Out or curiosity, why does the (religious) iranian regime keeps calling USA "the great devil" then ? Ps :reading some answers, i know about the history of conflicts between usa and iran. I was just pointing the fact that calling Iran a "natural ally" is a bit of a stretch.

Or anyone in that region?

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by ScottBurson »

adventured wrote: post #14
Tomte wrote: post #13

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Nationwide Universal Healthcare.

The US does not have universal healthcare. Further, Obama wasn't responsible for the ACA. edit: if the US had universal healthcare, the US wouldn't have 30+ million people without health coverage today.

> Obama wasn't responsible for the ACA.

Yeah, Mitt Romney really doesn't get the credit he deserves.

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