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Costa Rica. I'm not sure there are any others, though. Maybe Belize, though I'm not sure that counts as "Latin America".

As someone who admittedly knows very little about Belize, why would it not count as part Latin America?

Because it was a British colony, not a Spanish or Portuguese one. That changes the whole culture.

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> The city I live in with population of 2 Million.They only managed to bring ~50,000 That's 2.5%. By contrast the biggest protest in British history (against the 2003 invasion of Iraq) was around 1m people, just shy of 2% of the country. I'm afraid I can't see Al Quds days as indicative of anything other than rabid and endemic anti-Israel, anti-American and anti-Western sentiment.

But how many of those 50,000 were paid or "persuaded" to participate?

That's a fair point. I know Iranian citizens feel far more friendly to the West than many in the Middle East, but "Death to America", "Death to Israel" spoken in parliament is still very disconcerting.

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And yet the President of the United States (and a member of the Democratic Party) just negotiated a deal entirely without the help of the Israel, in fact with a lot of hand-wringing and public protest from Israel and its leadership, a deal which Israel is very publicly angry about despite it being arguably in their self-interest to defuse tension within the Middle East. Doesn't seem so much like we're in the pocket o…

"In the pocket of" is a broad statement. Most of the _politicians_ in this country give undue importance to Israel. cf, Hillary's recent statement that she'll be better for Israel. They seem to fall over themselves to out-hawk the hawkish Israelis. As far as the Iran deal is concerned: many top Israelis are actually in favor of this deal. See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/efraim-halevy-netan... http://new…

Yes. When I say "us" and "Israel" I'm referring to politicians who make up the leadership of both countries, and therefore are in the position to make decisions on behalf of both countries. I do not mean to generalize about the many diverse viewpoints that the people of both countries hold.

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> The city I live in with population of 2 Million.They only managed to bring ~50,000 That's 2.5%. By contrast the biggest protest in British history (against the 2003 invasion of Iraq) was around 1m people, just shy of 2% of the country. I'm afraid I can't see Al Quds days as indicative of anything other than rabid and endemic anti-Israel, anti-American and anti-Western sentiment.

But how many of those 50,000 were paid or "persuaded" to participate?

Thats is fair question.Does not all of 50,000 get paid. some of them get. some of them really deceived and believe US is evil.(that's one of main point of my main comment,which by bombing we give them a real reason , Obama policy was effective ,I can see in my real life , Obama was far effective than any other US president could have done)

For that 50,000 you (as west) should show the true nature of Iran's regime without giving them real reason (what Obama have exactly done in recent years). And remember this point , If someone get paid by regime , he have family and close friend.by a simple math you can estimate number of paid people.(maybe 5000-10000)which is reasonable amount.

UPDATE : We are taking this wrong way , this is not about number , this is about money & corruption , and what's going on under the hood. I can assure you majority of participant just want regime money.They don't care about Israel and US.most of them don't care about Iran either.They just want money.

But yes . We all should admit , Iran have Shia version of Al Qaida.(mostly government keeping them in silence, but they are major threat and resistance against reform)

At the end : the only solution for Iran (at least from my point of view) is the following support "civil society" and make people stronger , Iranian himself can handle these small fraction.Facilitate Iranian and world communication.People in Iran really have wish to integrate to world economy.

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Oooh, the guy walked with a kippah on his head through the muslim quarters of Paris for 10 hours, and what he got? A few mocking comments from the racaille, and a "Vive Palestine!". That's really a Kristallnacht situation here. Given what Israel is doing in Palestine, I'd have expected more. You might want to repeat the exercise in one of the black quarters of New York, with a white guy walking alone through them for…

> You might want to repeat the exercise in one of the black quarters of New York, with a white guy walking alone through them for 10 hours Been there, done that. Nobody yelled anything at me or spat at me. > That's really a Kristallnacht situation here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack... It must all be my imagination.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack.... >It must all be my imagination.

That was a terrorist attack, not racism. I'd never say that in the US there is a rampant racism just because a teenager went to a church full of black people and opened fire on them. That would add insult to injury. The whole France has been victim of that terrorist attack, just as the whole USA was victim of the Charleston shooting.

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But how many of those 50,000 were paid or "persuaded" to participate?

Thats is fair question.Does not all of 50,000 get paid. some of them get. some of them really deceived and believe US is evil.(that's one of main point of my main comment,which by bombing we give them a real reason , Obama policy was effective ,I can see in my real life , Obama was far effective than any other US president could have done) For that 50,000 you (as west) should show the true nature of Iran's regime wit…

Your reports are very encouraging and give me some hope that this deal won't turn out as badly as the one with North Korea.

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Traditional Iranian ceremonies always was a great part of our society (at least as far as I can remember , and note that these ceremonies are not approved by Islam most of the time but people kept doing them after revolution).But nationalism became regular part in recent years.I don't think it is dominant part , as far as I see it is important part. I should mention in recent years Iran became so much wired country i…

> The city I live in with population of 2 Million.They only managed to bring ~50,000 That's 2.5%. By contrast the biggest protest in British history (against the 2003 invasion of Iraq) was around 1m people, just shy of 2% of the country. I'm afraid I can't see Al Quds days as indicative of anything other than rabid and endemic anti-Israel, anti-American and anti-Western sentiment.

One Important thing I want you to look at : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Iranian_presidential_elec...

at 2009 june 15 , 4 Million people was at demonstration against regime ( I think it is more than 4 million , but mayor of Tehran (which is hardliner itself _ Mohmmad BagherGhalibaf) mentioned it one time). Bringing 4 Million for a protest , in unsecure situation, I think it shows how much people really want reform, and how small corrupted supporter fraction really is.

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I thought I was on "Hacker News", why is this post on the front page?

This is rehashed often. It's "news that hackers would find interesting" not "news about computers".

If an article does not gratify your intellectual curiosity, I suggest just ignoring it.

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> The city I live in with population of 2 Million.They only managed to bring ~50,000 That's 2.5%. By contrast the biggest protest in British history (against the 2003 invasion of Iraq) was around 1m people, just shy of 2% of the country. I'm afraid I can't see Al Quds days as indicative of anything other than rabid and endemic anti-Israel, anti-American and anti-Western sentiment.

One Important thing I want you to look at : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Iranian_presidential_elec... at 2009 june 15 , 4 Million people was at demonstration against regime ( I think it is more than 4 million , but mayor of Tehran (which is hardliner itself _ Mohmmad BagherGhalibaf) mentioned it one time). Bringing 4 Million for a protest , in unsecure situation, I think it shows how much people really want ref…

That's a very good counterpoint, thanks.
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