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Re: I, Racist

#41

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>>Zimmerman is of white race and Hispanic ethnicity. What? Race and ethnicity are synonyms. Maybe you can score some internet points but what's the use of a discussion if words have no meaning and you can make up distinctions where there are none.

> What? Race and ethnicity are synonyms. Race and ethnicity are, perhaps, similar kinds of cultural constructs, but they are orthogonal categories. See, e.g., https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/reic/definitions.asp

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Re: I, Racist

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> What? Race and ethnicity are synonyms. Race and ethnicity are, perhaps, similar kinds of cultural constructs, but they are orthogonal categories. See, e.g., https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/reic/definitions.asp

> The categories do not denote scientific definitions of anthropological origins

Yes, neither "race" nor "ethnicity" do denote scientific definitions of anthropological origins.

They are both cultural in-group, out-group constructs, they just happen to be different constructs rather than synonyms.

Re: I, Racist

#43

I am black and I'm with him on this but, he loses me at this quote: "Racism is our acceptance of an all white Lord of the Rings cast because of “historical accuracy,” ignoring the fact that this is a world with an entirely fictionalized history." What does Lord of The Rings written by a white author in a fantasy setting of his own imagination have to do with racism? Furthermore, how is this racist? Shoehorning a char…

> What does Lord of The Rings written by a white author in a fantasy setting of his own imagination have to do with racism?

Lord of the Rings the books doesn't have any connection to racism. LotR the films does - black actors were excluded for bogus reasons. When we have "blind audition" or color-blind casting we see greater representation of non-white talent in orchestras or film or tv.

Re: I, Racist

#44

I'm so sick and tired of the race card. My parents are immigrants. They didn't have the language privelage that [non-white] natives have. It's such a sorry excuse blaming your failure on others. There will always be inequality in the world. Somehow against the odds my parents worked their asses off and put our family in a favorable position. It took working two jobs, going to school for 8 years but somehow they did i…

Don't understand why the down vote.

> Don't understand why the down vote.

Because you're weighing in on a complicated subject without considering your inherent biases. You're conflating the success of individuals with equal opportunity. Having a black president doesn't mean we're in a post-racial society, being able to point to black athletes and movie stars doesn't mean there's no disaprites in educational funding or discrimination in employment.

But worst of all, you've decided that because your advantages of birth are invisble to you, they must not exist. This is like deciding you don't have a cornea because you can't see it directly.

Look in a mirror, and instead of dismissing the idea of privilige, see if you can actually see it in your life experience. Perhaps you can look here as a starting point. https://www.uakron.edu/dotAsset/1662103.pdf

Re: I, Racist

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Sure, but that's couched in racist ideology: you are black (or non-white) if you have any fraction of not-white blood. As the great melting pot processes along, its inevitable that 'pure white' folks will disappear. And that's a problem, why?

You are just arbitrarily defining whites to mean nonsense and accusing me of being a racist which I am not, I am a Catholic and I believe racism is illogical, but I still get annoyed reading about how all us whites are supposedly racist or secretly racist, and couch everything in our secret racist ideology. I didn't say it was a problem for a country to be non-white. I said that it simply proves that white racists ar…

Don't go overboard, there. The idea that 'white people' are disappearing is a racist notion. Because of an ancient notion that if you are 'polluted' by even 1% 'black blood' then you're not white. On the face of it, that's nonsense. Why not say that even 1% 'white blood' makes you white? Then the USA is almost entirely white.

And half a percent of the USA are running the whole country. I suspect they are all old white guys. We're more than halfway done proving the "they are in charge" accusation, right?

Re: I, Racist

#46

I am black and I'm with him on this but, he loses me at this quote: "Racism is our acceptance of an all white Lord of the Rings cast because of “historical accuracy,” ignoring the fact that this is a world with an entirely fictionalized history." What does Lord of The Rings written by a white author in a fantasy setting of his own imagination have to do with racism? Furthermore, how is this racist? Shoehorning a char…

Fantasy has disturbingly racist undertones if you examine it closely. For example, why is it "authentic" that all humans in Warcraft are lily-white Europeans, and all other ethnic counterparts are fantasy humanoid races.

Re: I, Racist

#47
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Germany has a population of 80m people. Your figure claims a Muslim population of 3m. Even if we assume all of those people are black it's still dwarfed by the 77million other people.

I guess you can't follow the point.

I'm having trouble - the point is incoherent.

You said that whites are becoming a minority in Europe. I asked for an example and you pointed to Muslim (who are not necessarily non-white) population of Germany, and quoted a 3million number. The muslim population of Germany by your own figures is fucking tiny.

The black population of Germany is even smaller, less than 500,000 people.

So how does less than 10% of the population being black get turned into "whites are becomming a minority"?

Re: I, Racist

#48

If whites were 1) running the country and 2) racist then the immigration policies of this country would have kept the USA as a white majority country. Instead, white people are becoming a minority in the USA and European countries. "As Of Today, California No Longer Has A White Majority" http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/07/01/2238421/cali...

Sure, but that's couched in racist ideology: you are black (or non-white) if you have any fraction of not-white blood. As the great melting pot processes along, its inevitable that 'pure white' folks will disappear. And that's a problem, why?

> Sure, but that's couched in racist ideology: you are black (or non-white) if you have any fraction of not-white blood.

Only to the extent that present self-identification of people as non-whites is driven by their internalization of the one-drop rule, since these statistics, like most modern consideration of racial demographics, is driven by self-identification, not authoritarian ancenstry-tracing and application of the one-drop rule.

Though the "majority non-White" characterization does seem to be a mischaracterization of "majority non-(non-Hispanic White)" finding.

Re: I, Racist

#49

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You are just arbitrarily defining whites to mean nonsense and accusing me of being a racist which I am not, I am a Catholic and I believe racism is illogical, but I still get annoyed reading about how all us whites are supposedly racist or secretly racist, and couch everything in our secret racist ideology. I didn't say it was a problem for a country to be non-white. I said that it simply proves that white racists ar…

Don't go overboard, there. The idea that 'white people' are disappearing is a racist notion. Because of an ancient notion that if you are 'polluted' by even 1% 'black blood' then you're not white. On the face of it, that's nonsense. Why not say that even 1% 'white blood' makes you white? Then the USA is almost entirely white. And half a percent of the USA are running the whole country. I suspect they are all old whit…

What's the point of talking if you are going to just make up stuff I supposedly said, you're arguing with things you imagined I said.

Did I say "white people are disappearing" No.

I don't know where this 'ancient notion' stuff you are arguing with comes from either.

I can't argue on the internet with someone who can't read.

Re: I, Racist

#50
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> White people do not think in terms of we. White people have the privilege to interact with the social and political structures of our society as individuals. You are “you,” I am “one of them.” Whites are often not directly affected by racial oppression even in their own community, so what does not affect them locally has little chance of affecting them regionally or nationally. They have no need, nor often any real…

It's not that the oppressed are unwilling to view themselves as individuals, it's that they are safer and better supported when they think as a collective. So saying they should just view themselves as individuals isn't so much a "solution" as it would be a sign that a solution was found. Also, is it an unchecked white default bias to believe it's better to view yourself as an individual?
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