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Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by CityUtopian »

api wrote: post #55
ThomPete wrote: post #43

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the tendency to treat pedophiles as if they are the devils themselves. Let there be no doubt. I have two kids and there is probably no limit to what I would do to someone who did anything to my kids. But it's not as simply as just condemning pedophiles for being that and I ultimately think there is something morally or ethically questionable about this approach. It's fairly…

I disagree, and I think the problem is the framing. Call it rape porn, because it is. What would you think of someone trading files like "REAL video of ISIS soldiers gang raping and beheading girl!" Child porn, especially the "hard core" sort alluded to here, is in the same category. I do dislike the OP's guilt by association and vigilantism though. There's a reason we have a proper justice system. Imagine if someone…

The distinction may not be obvious to people without this terrible affliction, so I think it's worth stating: pain, suffering and adults forcing themselves on to children is of a completely different category to content in which the child does not appear to be in discomfort (choosing my words carefully so as to avoid a debate about consent...).

All of the same social norms about what is reviled and what is considered depraved translate to the world of pedophilia, hebephilia, etc. For example, a child who is visibly upset or in discomfort is as equally distressing to pedophiles as it is to anybody else. It should not be assumed that viewing child porn is synonymous with deriving enjoyment from suffering. Anyone who considers themselves "normal" would be disgusted by a 21 year old being raped just as they would also be disgusted by a 40 year old being raped. The age of the victim is irrelevant.

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Post by akshat_h »

TheDong wrote: post #99
allendoerfer wrote: post #56

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There is no "just be watching". If you watch a child getting raped, you are committing a crime and better have a very convincing argument why you had to do it. It is in fact that simple. Of course they need help, too. We need both prosecution and prevention.

If you're watching game of thrones, you are watching people kill each other. You are committing a crime. See how that's silly? There are people who watch animated child porn and they are ruled as criminals even though no actual child was directly harmed. There are people who watch snuff films, where people actually are killed, and the viewers are not breaking the law in most states. Perhaps you would argue that snuff…

Just checked. Sansa Stark is 17 in Game of thrones TV series season 5 fictional history. Did I(and millions of other people) watch child porn?

Sophie Turner is actually 19.

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by johanneskanybal »

outworlder wrote: post #141
ThomPete wrote: post #43

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the tendency to treat pedophiles as if they are the devils themselves. Let there be no doubt. I have two kids and there is probably no limit to what I would do to someone who did anything to my kids. But it's not as simply as just condemning pedophiles for being that and I ultimately think there is something morally or ethically questionable about this approach. It's fairly…

What's interesting is that most people these days would agree that sexual orientation is not a choice. This is fine when we are talking about equal rights for homosexuals, but for some reason is abhorrent when we are talking about a orientation that is undesirable for society. (And thus classified as a mental disorder). Even if there is no crime involved, and there won't ever be. I blame the media for misusing the wo…

Could you yield that the potential for one party getting abused is alot higher if it's a 10 year old and a 50 year old vs two 50 year olds? Seems pretty obvious to me but trying to be specific for the sake of argument.

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Post by innguest »

allendoerfer wrote: post #91
innguest wrote: post #87

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> There is nothing wrong with regulating how footage of crimes can be shown to protect the victims and even the offenders. Right! That's how it starts. In the end we have "there's nothing wrong with censoring 28 pages of a 9/11 report to protect the security of all Americans because it doesn't really matter who funded it, the government told us who the bad people are so we don't really need to keep the government on…

The "this is how it starts"-narrative is not necessarily true. While Germany has strict privacy rules for victims and criminals - media cannot show their faces or their last names and so on - I do not see that it is the country that has problems with its agencies and military-industrial complex being out of control and censoring stuff on their behalf. If there were photos of me being raped as a kid I would want to se…

> You can still inform people about the crime without showing the victims face or the actual explicit imagery.

Let's say society makes a fund for people that were abused as kids (horribile dictu). Those funds are there only to benefit those people so we'd better be able to prove they were really victims of what they say there were, otherwise people can just say "yeah that happened to me" and collect the money without ever proving they were victims.

You may want to forbid people from seeing the evidence for your abuse but then you can't expect people to believe you. When we believe in tales of rape without proof we smear the name of the accused.

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Post by click170 »

jpgleeson wrote: post #145
click170 wrote: post #97

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BBC Panorama had an excellent episode exploring these very questions. At least I think it was Panorama. I tried searching for it but all I get are hits about Jimmy Savile. They found a young man who selfidenties as a pedophile, who was actually willing to go on camera and talk about his desires and urges. It was quite fascinating, and I do see many parellels not just to the war on drugs but to homosexuality as well.…

I want to say that this was Channel 4 instead. I think it aired last year.

If does feel like it was last year ish, you're probably right about it being Channel 4.

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Post by tokenizerrr »

Sideloader wrote: post #113
Sideloader wrote: post #112

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I agree. Pedophilia is a sexual preference for pre-pubescent children, not an act. The vast majority of pedophiles are likely sad and lonely people condemned by a freak of nature to live with the burden of a sexual preference that in Western society carries the ultimate stigma. Even discussing pedophilia calmly and reasonably opens one to the charge of being a pedophile or a "pedophile apologist." Taboos can reveal a…

Downvoting is so much easier than thinking or offering a counter argument if you don't agree with or understand a point of view. The up/down voting system on here is toxic as it disappears posts for no good reason whatsoever.

You can turn on showdead in the settings. As far as I'm aware it's also not downvotes that make posts disappear: It's them getting flagkilled, which happens when a lot of users click the flag button.

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Post by dools »

click170 wrote: post #97
dools wrote: post #74

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Yes this has long been my concern. Is pedophilia something that can be rehabilitated? Is it mental illness? A sexual orientation? By providing people with no choices are we creating underground networks? To me there are echoes of drug prohibition here. I go fucking crazy thinking about my kids getting taken. When I watched true detective i was seriously ready to throw up. Particularly chilling was the last line: "we'…

BBC Panorama had an excellent episode exploring these very questions. At least I think it was Panorama. I tried searching for it but all I get are hits about Jimmy Savile. They found a young man who selfidenties as a pedophile, who was actually willing to go on camera and talk about his desires and urges. It was quite fascinating, and I do see many parellels not just to the war on drugs but to homosexuality as well.…

Mia Freedman copped a bit of flack for saying somethingn similar: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/mia-freedma... and has published about this issue on her site http://www.mamamia.com.au/social/19-year-old-pedophile/

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Post by grkvlt »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #51
ThomPete wrote: post #43

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the tendency to treat pedophiles as if they are the devils themselves. Let there be no doubt. I have two kids and there is probably no limit to what I would do to someone who did anything to my kids. But it's not as simply as just condemning pedophiles for being that and I ultimately think there is something morally or ethically questionable about this approach. It's fairly…

The war on drugs didn't work out as intended. The war on pedophilia seems much safer. Except of course for teenage sexting. Where the legal system has ruined lives for no reason. Or the weird edge cases it introduces. Such as a theoretical case where someone wearing Go Pro comes across a pedophile actively abusing a child out in the wild. The good samaritan Go Pro wearer is now guilty of both production and possessio…

> The laws do not leave any room

This meme is repeated a lot about posession of child pornography, and is absoluely incorrect. Perhaps this is because in the UK the law had to be amended to include an exception, so that deliberately 'making' otherwise illegal images solely for the purpose of law enforcement was allowed as a defence. But (again, in the UK, but true for most other common law jurisdictions) there is still a 'mens rea' (that is, guilty mind, or intent) requirement, as with any crime.

EDIT: Also, there are no 'edge cases' in regard to sexting, at least in the UK at present, as the law allows the obvious defence that the images are of ones partner.

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Post by majc2 »

jules wrote: post #168
majc2 wrote: post #153

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As I understand it yes, that the theory is suggested by academics with appropriate experience. See: http://mentorforensics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Dr-Joe... for more info.

I don't see any evidence there.

It's based on his work with child abusers - he's one of the leading academics in the UK on this issue, I don't know what kind of evidence your expecting.

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by ctchocula »

click170 wrote: post #97
dools wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes this has long been my concern. Is pedophilia something that can be rehabilitated? Is it mental illness? A sexual orientation? By providing people with no choices are we creating underground networks? To me there are echoes of drug prohibition here. I go fucking crazy thinking about my kids getting taken. When I watched true detective i was seriously ready to throw up. Particularly chilling was the last line: "we'…

BBC Panorama had an excellent episode exploring these very questions. At least I think it was Panorama. I tried searching for it but all I get are hits about Jimmy Savile. They found a young man who selfidenties as a pedophile, who was actually willing to go on camera and talk about his desires and urges. It was quite fascinating, and I do see many parellels not just to the war on drugs but to homosexuality as well.…

Is it this episode? [0]

[0] http://www.channel4.com/info/press/programme-information/the...

[1] Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO4yfvc9THs

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