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Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by forrestthewoods »

ThomPete wrote: post #43

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the tendency to treat pedophiles as if they are the devils themselves. Let there be no doubt. I have two kids and there is probably no limit to what I would do to someone who did anything to my kids. But it's not as simply as just condemning pedophiles for being that and I ultimately think there is something morally or ethically questionable about this approach. It's fairly…

The war on drugs didn't work out as intended. The war on pedophilia seems much safer.

Except of course for teenage sexting. Where the legal system has ruined lives for no reason. Or the weird edge cases it introduces. Such as a theoretical case where someone wearing Go Pro comes across a pedophile actively abusing a child out in the wild. The good samaritan Go Pro wearer is now guilty of both production and possession of child pornography. The laws do not leave any room.

Oh well!

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by anigbrowl »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #13

"pedophiles use encryption, so encryption is the devil." seems to be where this is going. That's a slippery slope and a bit unethical to use pedophiles to push an authoritarian political agenda. I bet it's fun to call all his critics pedophile sympathizers and sit upon a moral high-horse of self-righteousness while pushing his authoritarian ideology under the guise of social justice.. That's the thing about these peo…

You're projecting a great more than he did.

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by johnnycarcin »

athenot wrote: post #16

As a father of a little girl, this is a depressing read for me. Yes in the back of my mind I know this stuff is going on but it's really sad seeing the collection of data showing people who are partaking in this stuff. Also this gave me a nasty flashback of looking at filenames (never content) of deleted files in the process of gathering evidence against a family member who now sits on the registered sex offender lis…

Tell me about it. Awhile back as a reason to learn some new things I setup a Tor hidden service/page crawler and a basic search engine. For troubleshooting purposes (and to see how popular the site was) I was logging what was being searched for. After about a two weeks of having the site up I shut it down because 90% of the searches were for child porn. As a Tor supporter it was kind of eye opening. I guess though if you had the logs for Google you might see something similar...

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by ThomPete »

chimeracoder wrote: post #48
ThomPete wrote: post #43

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the tendency to treat pedophiles as if they are the devils themselves. Let there be no doubt. I have two kids and there is probably no limit to what I would do to someone who did anything to my kids. But it's not as simply as just condemning pedophiles for being that and I ultimately think there is something morally or ethically questionable about this approach. It's fairly…

> It's fairly well established that many pedophiles where in fact victims of pedophilia in their childhood themselves This point is oftentimes overlooked. Also, the word "pedophile" is oftentimes conflated with "child molester", which makes it impossible to distinguish the individuals who are pedophiles but have not (and have no intentions to) act on those desires. I found this article to be a worthwhile read on the…

Exactly. Most people never actually distinguish between: Desiring, watching, touching and actual penetration.

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by api »

ThomPete wrote: post #43

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the tendency to treat pedophiles as if they are the devils themselves. Let there be no doubt. I have two kids and there is probably no limit to what I would do to someone who did anything to my kids. But it's not as simply as just condemning pedophiles for being that and I ultimately think there is something morally or ethically questionable about this approach. It's fairly…

I disagree, and I think the problem is the framing. Call it rape porn, because it is. What would you think of someone trading files like "REAL video of ISIS soldiers gang raping and beheading girl!" Child porn, especially the "hard core" sort alluded to here, is in the same category.

I do dislike the OP's guilt by association and vigilantism though. There's a reason we have a proper justice system. Imagine if someone like this was mistaken about one of those email addresses. You could sue him to hell but the damage might be done.

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by allendoerfer »

ThomPete wrote: post #49
allendoerfer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's fairly well established that many pedophiles where in fact victims of pedophilia in their childhood themselves … Wouldn't that mean, that he is not only trying to catch pedophiles but actively curing pedophilia? I think what is going on in the US with the public shaming of offenders in databases is wrong, but I am fine with honeypots to catch them. Legally he is in no position to do so, of course.

Maybe a few but he is also hurting someone who might just be watching and could destroy their lives completely. As I said it's not that simple. I find it all disgusting but these people need help not traps. They are humans not animals despite what we think of some of their actions.

There is no "just be watching". If you watch a child getting raped, you are committing a crime and better have a very convincing argument why you had to do it. It is in fact that simple.

Of course they need help, too. We need both prosecution and prevention.

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by tdy721 »

ThomPete wrote: post #43

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the tendency to treat pedophiles as if they are the devils themselves. Let there be no doubt. I have two kids and there is probably no limit to what I would do to someone who did anything to my kids. But it's not as simply as just condemning pedophiles for being that and I ultimately think there is something morally or ethically questionable about this approach. It's fairly…

I am normally a pretty level dude, but in this case I really do believe we are dealing with something supernaturally evil. This isn't snooping on randoms, it's exposing demons for what they are. (Atheist, but science just doesn't have the words for this.)

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by craigmccaskill »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #13

"pedophiles use encryption, so encryption is the devil." seems to be where this is going. That's a slippery slope and a bit unethical to use pedophiles to push an authoritarian political agenda. I bet it's fun to call all his critics pedophile sympathizers and sit upon a moral high-horse of self-righteousness while pushing his authoritarian ideology under the guise of social justice.. That's the thing about these peo…

Sadly this is where the UK government seems to be going [1]. They want all encryption to have a backdoor or be outlawed.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/david-cameron-encryption-back...

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by InTheArena »

Probably condemning myself to eternal down-voting here, but some of the reactions here are depressing as fuck.

There is no world in which this content is acceptable. The presence of this on TOR is not "good for society" in any way shape or form, and reveals that society can't be trusted with anonymous speech...

Which is a really big problem, because there are a shit-ton of other problems that require anonymous speech.

Re: Running a Dark Web pedophile honeypot

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Post by ThomPete »

api wrote: post #55
ThomPete wrote: post #43

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the tendency to treat pedophiles as if they are the devils themselves. Let there be no doubt. I have two kids and there is probably no limit to what I would do to someone who did anything to my kids. But it's not as simply as just condemning pedophiles for being that and I ultimately think there is something morally or ethically questionable about this approach. It's fairly…

I disagree, and I think the problem is the framing. Call it rape porn, because it is. What would you think of someone trading files like "REAL video of ISIS soldiers gang raping and beheading girl!" Child porn, especially the "hard core" sort alluded to here, is in the same category. I do dislike the OP's guilt by association and vigilantism though. There's a reason we have a proper justice system. Imagine if someone…

There is a world of difference between desiring, watching, touching and actual penetration.

We might find the people watching child porn disgusting but they are after all only watching and not necessarily doing anything resembling rape porn.

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