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Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by edgarvaldes »

sourthyme wrote: post #11

It seems like it would be easy for Facebook to support takedowns since it could remove the video from feeds.

>Facebook typically complies, they said—but often not until a day or two later, by which time the video’s virality has run much of its course. Two days, Sandlin told me, is “basically forever in Internet time.”

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Post by rwmj »

This should be a fairly open and shut piracy case for the video maker. Zoo is a British magazine with a real company behind it. Facebook is a US-based company and is redistributing the video (and likely making money from the adverts). The video maker is based in the US. He can start with filing a case against FB (seems he has a US lawyer lined up already), and once he collects from that, he pays a UK lawyer to follow up against Zoo's parent.

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Post by brokentone »

superuser2 wrote: post #20

I don't understand how this is "Facebook's" piracy problem. It sounds like the British newspaper's piracy problem.

If the tooling isn't there for reporting. Youtube, for example, has worked really hard with Content ID to be able to automatically report and repoint infringing content.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by Tyr42 »

Mithaldu wrote: post #5

It sounds to me like part of the problem is that the people making popular videos don't share them on facebook themselves, which results in the modern internet native's primary reaction to media being unavailable in their preferred venue and at their preferred comfortability level: Piracy. Sure, you can fight back by appealing to the public about facebook's evility, or by spending lots of resources in legal action. O…

But the article talks about how sharing YouTube links is penalized by Facebook, and you have to re-upload it as a Facebook video for Facebook to really share it in news feeds.

Then you don't get any money at all fore it, so that doesn't seem viable for people who treat it like a job.

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Post by brokentone »

This seems to be shades of aggregate content farm business models. Is HuffingtonPost Comedy's recutting of cute cat videos without credit okay? How about BuzzFeed's use of stock / flickr images? What about memes -- someone took those photos once upon a time, now they don't even get a credit. How about the dumb radio station's non-original video clips circulating on FB?

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Post by dasil003 »

brokentone wrote: post #23
superuser2 wrote: post #20

I don't understand how this is "Facebook's" piracy problem. It sounds like the British newspaper's piracy problem.

If the tooling isn't there for reporting. Youtube, for example, has worked really hard with Content ID to be able to automatically report and repoint infringing content.

Not just that, but the fact that the content is unsearchable, and the fact that Facebook is profiting heavily from it as fuel for one of its latest "frictionless engagement" features is fairly damning. That's not to say Facebook isn't taking reasonable measures, but if you look how incentives are aligned it doesn't inspire confidence.

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Post by cjmcqueen »

solidpy wrote: post #16

But is it Facebook or the magazine that ripped and modified the video the one at fault? Issue a DMCA to Facebook and sue the magazine for copyright infringement. And next time post it yourself.

Really tough for a small creator to police without tools. I think the lack of tools is the real place where Facebook is going to see trouble.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Post by personjerry »

I think the issue that the article points out is valid. But it expands to a bigger face than just Facebook. Namely, any content on the Internet, by virtue of being easily accessed, is easily duplicated. Sites like 9gag and Buzzfeed are full of reposts from Reddit and 4chan. "But wait!" you say, "those aren't the same. Those aren't making money like videos!" But the value of any content is to drive views and growth, and in that sense the text or image posts are worth just as much as video. We don't generally make the same big deal out of these as music or video because it is more difficult for creators of small content to complain.
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