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A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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It's a nice, clear example of the anti-inductivity of the market: http://lesswrong.com/lw/yv/markets_are_antiinductive/ The very act of noticing that something is a good strategy, and beginning to trade on it, will over time drain away the utility of the strategy, until it is useless or worse than useless. Tracking indexes is "big", and has some brute simplicity about it, but eventually the market will eliminate that…

" Tracking indexes is 'big', and has some brute simplicity about it, but eventually the market will eliminate that as a viable investment mechanism. " I would like to know how.

The strategy is so passive that it will simply always follow the index. So in order to break it, the indexes themselves would have to break. I suppose it's not impossible, but it is very improbable.

Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a nice, clear example of the anti-inductivity of the market: http://lesswrong.com/lw/yv/markets_are_antiinductive/ The very act of noticing that something is a good strategy, and beginning to trade on it, will over time drain away the utility of the strategy, until it is useless or worse than useless. Tracking indexes is "big", and has some brute simplicity about it, but eventually the market will eliminate that…

Show me an actively managed portfolio that consistently beats an index fund and I'll believe it. Until then, you guys can pretend to have all the inside information you want, but numbers don't lie.

Renaissance technology.

Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Show me an actively managed portfolio that consistently beats an index fund and I'll believe it. Until then, you guys can pretend to have all the inside information you want, but numbers don't lie.

Don't the top hedge funds consistently outperform the market?

Yes, the top funds consistently outperform the market. No, the top funds are not the same year-to-year. Predicting which funds will out-perform is the hard (aka impossible) part.

Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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I expected to see (1995) tagged to the end of this article. I personally know 3 people who run their own money ( Having said that, this isn't exactly easy. You need to know 1) if a stock is going into the index 2) when its going into the index 3) how much the index will buy 4) how much the index buy will affect the price of the stock the first 3 are trivial for some index funds, though most have rules that allow them…

And where would one look to answer questions 1-3? Doesn't seem as trivial as you make it out to be.

Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Show me an actively managed portfolio that consistently beats an index fund and I'll believe it. Until then, you guys can pretend to have all the inside information you want, but numbers don't lie.

Renaissance technology.

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Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Sounds like it was written by someone with an interest in encouraging people to buy expensive managed funds.

You do see PR from Dimensional from time to time. Their slightly smarter index funds probably do beat traditional index funds slightly but probably not after their additional fees.

Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Show me an actively managed portfolio that consistently beats an index fund and I'll believe it. Until then, you guys can pretend to have all the inside information you want, but numbers don't lie.

Don't the top hedge funds consistently outperform the market?

What percentage of the 11,000 hedge funds are you referring to?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101955552

Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a nice, clear example of the anti-inductivity of the market: http://lesswrong.com/lw/yv/markets_are_antiinductive/ The very act of noticing that something is a good strategy, and beginning to trade on it, will over time drain away the utility of the strategy, until it is useless or worse than useless. Tracking indexes is "big", and has some brute simplicity about it, but eventually the market will eliminate that…

Show me an actively managed portfolio that consistently beats an index fund and I'll believe it. Until then, you guys can pretend to have all the inside information you want, but numbers don't lie.

How many years, and by how much?

Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Show me an actively managed portfolio that consistently beats an index fund and I'll believe it. Until then, you guys can pretend to have all the inside information you want, but numbers don't lie.

Don't the top hedge funds consistently outperform the market?

Don't be fooled by randomness and survivorship bias. Those aren't the same funds each year. Thousands of funds trying to beat the market at a seemingly-random game? A small few will get lucky.

Re: A Profitable and Legal Way to Game the Stock Market

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Show me an actively managed portfolio that consistently beats an index fund and I'll believe it. Until then, you guys can pretend to have all the inside information you want, but numbers don't lie.

Renaissance technology.

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