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Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Re: Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Post by kbenzle »

hudj1jcnapru38 wrote: post #9
tiatia wrote: post #3

“If eating wheat was so bad for us, it’s hard to imagine that populations that ate it would have tolerated it for 10,000 years,” Sarah A. Tishkoff, a geneticist at the University of Pennsylvania who studies lactase persistence, told me. Sarah, turn on your brain. What about Game Theory? What if wheat is addictive and mankind did not enslave Wheat but wheat (and possible other crops) "enslaved" mankind? There is evide…

> Are the gluten haters correct that modern wheat varietals contain more gluten than past cultivars, making them more toxic? Unlikely, according to recent analysis by Donald D. Kasarda, a scientist with the United States Department of Agriculture. He analyzed records of protein content in wheat harvests going back nearly a century. It hasn’t changed.

As a plant breeder I can assure you the gluten content has certainly gone up! We call it a "Multi Trait Index" for baking quality, and we can show nearly every years released varieties increase in the MTI. What is the number one weighted factor of the baking quality MTI? Gluten percentage. Also, this article is bunk, saying, "if people can maintain an enzyme to digest lactoes, we should be able to evolve an enzyme to break down gluten too. "Total hoggerty poggerty applesauce!" NYT, you are cut off!

Re: Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Post by hudj1jcnapru38 »

kbenzle wrote: post #11
hudj1jcnapru38 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are the gluten haters correct that modern wheat varietals contain more gluten than past cultivars, making them more toxic? Unlikely, according to recent analysis by Donald D. Kasarda, a scientist with the United States Department of Agriculture. He analyzed records of protein content in wheat harvests going back nearly a century. It hasn’t changed.

As a plant breeder I can assure you the gluten content has certainly gone up! We call it a "Multi Trait Index" for baking quality, and we can show nearly every years released varieties increase in the MTI. What is the number one weighted factor of the baking quality MTI? Gluten percentage. Also, this article is bunk, saying, "if people can maintain an enzyme to digest lactoes, we should be able to evolve an enzyme to…

Not trying to put you on the defensive, but do you have some objective online resources I can examine to learn more about this?

Re: Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Post by learnstats2 »

ajross wrote: post #7
jameskilton wrote: post #2

Not one single mention of RoundUp or any of the other toxic chemicals farmers spray on crops (especially wheat) right before/during harvest to kill them and dry them out faster. Like the article says, we as a species have eaten wheat for thousands of years with little problem. Why now? The correlation between gluten intolerance and the rise of late-crop RoundUp raises some big questions.

Um... The whole point here is that unscientific nonsense needs to be killed. And specifically that non-Celiac gluten sensitivity has no real evidence for it. So your response is to trot out an equally unfounded (AFAIK) hippie-inspired pseudo-theory. Seriously?

Why is it so urgent to kill this?

It does nobody harm if some people choose to avoid gluten, and greatly benefits coeliac sufferers who have increasing good nutrition options.

Re: Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Post by TeMPOraL »

hudj1jcnapru38 wrote: post #10
jameskilton wrote: post #2

Not one single mention of RoundUp or any of the other toxic chemicals farmers spray on crops (especially wheat) right before/during harvest to kill them and dry them out faster. Like the article says, we as a species have eaten wheat for thousands of years with little problem. Why now? The correlation between gluten intolerance and the rise of late-crop RoundUp raises some big questions.

Agreed! And the correlation between gluten intolerance and use of facebook is something that nobody is talking about. Yet when you examine the data, you find that there are more diagnoses and self-diagnoses of gluten intolerance during the time when facebook grew from a few thousand users to nearly a billion! /s

Which is most likely the real reason for it. Most of the self-diagnosed gluten intolerance seems to be nothing but a social media fad.

Re: Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Post by ajross »

learnstats2 wrote: post #14
ajross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... The whole point here is that unscientific nonsense needs to be killed. And specifically that non-Celiac gluten sensitivity has no real evidence for it. So your response is to trot out an equally unfounded (AFAIK) hippie-inspired pseudo-theory. Seriously?

Why is it so urgent to kill this? It does nobody harm if some people choose to avoid gluten, and greatly benefits coeliac sufferers who have increasing good nutrition options.

It's a fair point. Personally I don't feel any urgency, the complaint was mostly aesthetic. But if you want to talk practicality of holding unscientific beliefs: I see your harmless gluten-free food industry and raise you a measles outbreak...

Re: Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Post by zo1 »

learnstats2 wrote: post #14
ajross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... The whole point here is that unscientific nonsense needs to be killed. And specifically that non-Celiac gluten sensitivity has no real evidence for it. So your response is to trot out an equally unfounded (AFAIK) hippie-inspired pseudo-theory. Seriously?

Why is it so urgent to kill this? It does nobody harm if some people choose to avoid gluten, and greatly benefits coeliac sufferers who have increasing good nutrition options.

Because it's part of a much larger "anti-science" movement, and it's slipping underneath a lot of peoples' noses by sounding semi-plausible (or some other reason). If it is indeed a myth, and without merit, then it needs to be clumped together with all the other pseudo-science type stuff out there like homeopathy, chemtrails, acupuncture and chiropractors.

Re: Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Post by bsenftner »

nextstep wrote: post #12

Here is an alternative theory that tries to explain why people in the United States don't tolerate wheat very well: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic...

Of course, this will be overlooked. Thanks for posting!

Re: Gluten intolerance may really be immune dysfunction

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Post by sklogic »

learnstats2 wrote: post #14
ajross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... The whole point here is that unscientific nonsense needs to be killed. And specifically that non-Celiac gluten sensitivity has no real evidence for it. So your response is to trot out an equally unfounded (AFAIK) hippie-inspired pseudo-theory. Seriously?

Why is it so urgent to kill this? It does nobody harm if some people choose to avoid gluten, and greatly benefits coeliac sufferers who have increasing good nutrition options.

These antigluten dimwits are almost always coming hand to hand with much more dangerous anti-science cretins, namely, antivaxxers and anti-GMO crowds.
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