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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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This seems like an abuse of power to me. The people who have closed the subreddits are the moderators. These moderators should represent the desires of the users . In this case, they are instead caring for their own personal feelings/ease of moderation through communication with the Victoria. As a result, hundreds of thousands of redditors are cut off from their friends and fellow subredditors. Even the AMAs are cut…

> These moderators should represent the desires of the users.

You're thinking democracy. That's not how subreddits work. Some might respect the wishes of the community and try to work with it but they're not beholden at all.

> In this case, they are instead caring for their own personal feelings/ease of moderation through communication with the Victoria.

Your portrayal is not right. While it might be in some cases, there's pretty good arguments about why people are doing what they're doing and the subscribers for different subreddits have given an impressive amount of support to the movements so you can't claim it's some sort of ego power play without consent of other people.

> As a result, hundreds of thousands of redditors are cut off from their friends and fellow subredditors

I find it slightly funny that you're talking as if this was some sort of humanitarian crisis or natural disaster. They can still message their friends and discuss in many subs that are not private if they're so inclined.

> Even the AMAs are cut off.

Well, one of the arguments is that the reddit administration didn't care about the AMAs when they made their decision of removing Victoria without consulting with any moderator (specially those that depended heavily on her).

> Consider this: What if the redditors, while this protest was going on, found an alternate site and all started posting there instead? Then the mods would've just effectively stripped themselves (and Reddit, Reddit admins, etc.) of power.

People can find alternate sites all the time. The "power loss" you claim is negligible and seems more like a scare tactic to force inaction. "Don't try protesting or showing anything is not in order because people might leave and you'll not be as important! Fall back in line!"

> However, the method which these moderators have chosen to demonstrate with hinders the community, and for that reason goes against what moderators represent, and so should not be supported.

The way they chose is absolutely effective with only the cost of a slight inconvenience. What the moderators represent to you is clearly not the popular opinion and the fact that many users seem to be overwhelmingly in support of this measures seems to leave you in a minority position.

At the risk of sounding harsh one could argue that your stance seems motivated by reasons of personal convenience that go against the best for reddit and the community as a whole.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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post #456

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This is where most of the conflict lies. Reddit the community and Reddit the business don't have the same goals in mind. The company wants to grow and become more profitable, the community wants to preserve what it has. I don't know if a site like this can really be run as a for profit company, at least not a growth oriented one. The obvious monetization schemes will be met with resistance. Even though its attracted…

> This is where most of the conflict lies. Reddit the community and Reddit the business don't have the same goals in mind. And this is the part about Reddit that I just don't get. A few years ago their users were a rather homogeneous group of nerds that had a lot of trust in the reddit management. Why on earth didn't they capitalize on that? By doing all the latest actions that aim at getting rid of people that are n…

If they're exactly where they were some years ago but now with a demographic that's less likely to block ads, that's a win. How might they have "capitalized on" their "homogeneous group of nerds" that wouldn't have caused them to just leave?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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post #524

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You mean "Bring back Usenet". Because that is what Reddit is serving, as well as the previous board sites the people came from. Usenet was decentralized, no logins, and some were moderated. But this is what the people want, yet they do not know the name. Most NG servers are shut down.

Usenet was decentralised, and therefore utterly unable to deal with spam and abuse. That's a problem any distributed system will have to face too.

There were techniques we were working on prior to the ISPs neglecting them.

One such technique was a crypto method, similar to what has been recommended in reducing spam in emails. The client has to do some lengthy crypto transform for the message(and NG) they send. On average, it would take .5 sec to generate per message. Small amounts of messages would get through, but spammers would be unable to bulk-send without some sort of supercomputer.

The appropriate algo could be agreed up and updated to increase the amount of time for the message. Even in worst cases, you're utilizing a slow computer for a second or 2. Solves the spam issue.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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post #405

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He did not mention hiring anywhere in his comment. Can you actually reply to him instead of giving words into his mouth?

Adding the single word promote makes the post entirely an on-topic reply to what he said - white men are not discriminated against "because diversity"; and if they are the exact same legal recourse used by protected classes is open to them. But since you think I didn't answer their post: what do you think they were talking about? Do you think that "promotion" is somehow not part of "recruitment and selection"?

Promotion is not part of recruitment.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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post #548
post #524

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You mean "Bring back Usenet". Because that is what Reddit is serving, as well as the previous board sites the people came from. Usenet was decentralized, no logins, and some were moderated. But this is what the people want, yet they do not know the name. Most NG servers are shut down.

Usenet was decentralised, and therefore utterly unable to deal with spam and abuse. That's a problem any distributed system will have to face too.

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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Yeah, I feel a bit sorry for kn0thing. This must be an incredibly stressful time in the Reddit office, and that really comes through in his comments.

You clearly missed his antagonizing of the community in about nine different threads.

I believe nathans comments were sarcastic in nature.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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post #553
post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usenet was decentralised, and therefore utterly unable to deal with spam and abuse. That's a problem any distributed system will have to face too.

There were techniques we were working on prior to the ISPs neglecting them. One such technique was a crypto method, similar to what has been recommended in reducing spam in emails. The client has to do some lengthy crypto transform for the message(and NG) they send. On average, it would take .5 sec to generate per message. Small amounts of messages would get through, but spammers would be unable to bulk-send without…

On average, it would take .5 sec to generate per message

So if I want to post from a mobile device, I have to wait considerably longer? And if I hijack a lot of computers for a spam farm, I can send as much as I like?

Spam is not only defined by bulk. You still need moderators, and that means a process for establishing and maintaining who moderates a particular group. You need people to delete the child porn and the death threats, and that means a process for deletion. (Signed cancels were a pretty good solution in the end). You probably want some means for identifying persistently troublesome users and their sockpuppets from legitimate new users.

You need hosting so that people can effectively access it despite firewalls and on mobile devices. You need a means of paying for that hosting.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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As someone who loves reddit, this dichotomy is the clearest sign that it has no future. Anyone who values freedom of expression and knows how to program can help build a decentralized reddit that no one controls on top of platforms like IPFS and Ethereum's Swarm. Every attempt at building a reddit clone fails because reddit enjoys tremendous network effects. But decentralization yields its own network effects—you don…

I wouldn't say I love Reddit, but I'm certainly an active user. But I'm not subscribed to any of the subreddits that were affected, and I wouldn't have noticed if it weren't for this thread. There are lots of little communities that work well, with their own things they value. (There was a particular thread over on /r/OrthodoxChristianity, now removed, that would have been hilarious if it wasn't sad: a member of the…

I would be happy just with HN clones more focused on specific topics. The per-community thing I don't care about too much; it doesn't even have to be the same host (it's 2015 we have bookmarks and speedials and password managers). What I care about is moderation done right. But I suspect it's an open issue for very large scale communities.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Reddit is really poorly managed. If Google bought it and gave it an overhaul I'm sure it would be welcome over the current administration. Plus, the "non-vocal users" simply don't care. I would start with rewarding administrators with payment (akin to youtube, somewhat proportionally to views -- this creates a strong incentive towards fidelity), revamp post priority algorithms, and add some basic functionality that y…

I'm really not sure what planet you live on, but Google managed communities are almost without exception an unmitigated disaster.

True. Plus "gave it an overhaul"? Pictures and Circles, for example? ;-)
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