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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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You forgot ethics in game journalism.

People caring to much about bullshit like ethics in game journalism are missing the forest for the trees. Pleasing special interest groups in a massively diverse community isn't possible, that's why democracy is typically favored over this bullypulpit nonsense.

I think they were being sarcastic

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Reddit still has those subs about beating women and lynching black people, right? Get over yourself, voat is better than every single example you listed.

I have yet to even see what Voat looks like because every time there's a Reddit event and someone mentions it, Voat is completely unresponsive.

Voat runs a modified version of the reddit open source code.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Honestly, though... isn't this just a total overreaction? I get that Victoria getting fired was bad for /r/IAMA (which once WASN'T a celebrity PR stop) but how does setting the whole damn subreddit to private help anyone? Like, I'm seriously asking. How? The "solidarity" thing also makes my eyes roll because I don't fully get how a place like /r/AskReddit is affected by this, at all. Reddit's admins have always taken…

Victoria being fired is basically the last straw in what has been close to a year of friction between the people who volunteer to provide and manage reddit's content (the moderators) and the people who profit off of their work (reddit the corporation). This event basically exemplified the fact that reddit as a corporation doesn't care one bit about their volunteers/moderators and the subs going private is basically t…

It's always struck me as weird that Reddit moderators are volunteers. While this may or may not have been justifiable, I'm not sure it was ever tenable that IAmA had a dedicated, paid staff member to make the subreddit run, answerable to Reddit the corporation and not to the subreddit moderators. (To what extent are the subreddit moderators answerable to Reddit the corporation, or vice versa? Remember that time that one of the IAmA mods went "It's been a good run, I'm shutting it down?")

So in retrospect, maybe all the other straws should have been obvious from the start.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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It's kindof astonishing what is happening over at reddit right now. "The internet" has it's own culture, and the people running reddit right now (one of the places where this culture is the strongest, imo), seem to have no idea how to interface with it. It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users ke…

Reddit has gone from someone who understood 'The Internet' : “We will not ban questionable subreddits,” Reddit’s CEO, Yishan Wong, wrote in the aftermath of that catastrophe. “You choose what to post. You choose what to read. You choose what kind of subreddit to create and what kind of rules you will enforce. We will try not to interfere — not because we don’t care, but because we care that you make your choices betw…

As someone who loves reddit, this dichotomy is the clearest sign that it has no future. Anyone who values freedom of expression and knows how to program can help build a decentralized reddit that no one controls on top of platforms like IPFS and Ethereum's Swarm. Every attempt at building a reddit clone fails because reddit enjoys tremendous network effects. But decentralization yields its own network effects—you don't have to start your own site to see your changes in the wild, you just fork the codebase and tell people about it. The useful changes thrive, the useless ones are forgotten, and everyone's still contributing to the core stream of submissions, comments, and votes that make the system work regardless of which fork they're using.

reddit's competitive advantage isn't their technology, it's their community. Ironically, technology is going to find a way to take that advantage away.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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It's kindof astonishing what is happening over at reddit right now. "The internet" has it's own culture, and the people running reddit right now (one of the places where this culture is the strongest, imo), seem to have no idea how to interface with it. It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users ke…

Honestly, though... isn't this just a total overreaction? I get that Victoria getting fired was bad for /r/IAMA (which once WASN'T a celebrity PR stop) but how does setting the whole damn subreddit to private help anyone? Like, I'm seriously asking. How? The "solidarity" thing also makes my eyes roll because I don't fully get how a place like /r/AskReddit is affected by this, at all. Reddit's admins have always taken…

The IAMA sub going offline/private was NOT about solidarity.

They needed Victoria to function, without her they are scrambling to figure out how they will do any upcoming AMAs.

The current AMA schedule (20 AMAs) will be scrapped.

"a load bearing wall in the house of AMA has been removed"- Knothing.

R/science had a similar problem, based on what a mod said in the original out of the loop thread.

As for The other subs, they may be doing it in solidarity.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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I'd love to hear some people's opinions: what's the next reddit? Where will people go? I've been looking at alternatives ever since all the stupid crap with mods came out (mods messing with submissions, resubmitting under their name, and deleting stuff they didn't agree with) and some of my favorite subreddits started to rot. And now, it feels like Reddit is really falling apart. Any suggestions?

Within the next two weeks we're going to see just about every Reddit clone and/or variation that exists spring into action.

One of them will be lucky enough to gain enough traction to replace Reddit, though it will take a couple of years for the transition to complete.

I have next to no doubt that these are the death throes of Reddit. I'm not personally invested in these politics (though it is fascinating to watch unfold), but what I can say is that I'll gladly move away should the opportunity present itself. What I care about at this point is I would like to consume content and for some reason I can't. So now I'm sitting here writing a comment on Hacker News to publicly showcase my discontent when I could have been enjoying cat pictures.

Edit: Reminds me of HipChat. It went down on a workday for a long period of time and I knew about Slack, our engineering team was swapped over by end of day. I don't particularly care why your service is down, whether it's a service outage or a coup, I just care about how long it will be down for and whether or not I can expect this to be a pattern.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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im not sure if it matters what happened in the past per se... its the amount, the type, etc.: once something start to be massively as "bad" and the content is generated by those users seeing it as "bad" it just stops being what it was. It's like saying Firefox or IE aren't good browser. IE is a pretty good browser nowaday, but that's an unpopular opinion. It feels like reddit is going to reach this point now...

For years all it would've taken is a solid competitor with good technology and management and Reddit is gone. Right now Reddit's really the only game in town. If someone were to come along with technology that wouldn't regularly crash and tools to help the moderators moderate and allow the community managers to quickly and effectively respond to problems; and a solid management team to be proactive and keep improving…

Yeah, because those are all the things that keep IRC alive... not.

You really don't think it's an architecture problem?

Do you really think "all" we need is "good tech" and "good people"? Everyone thinks that, and thinks they have that when they start something.

What we need, I think, is a forum/thread/whatchamacallit protocol, like IRC is that protocol for chat.

Am I crazy?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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One of the most telling points is from /u/imakuram, moderator for /r/books: "This seems to be a seriously stupid decision. We have several AMAs upcoming in /r/books and have no idea how to contact the authors."[1] They really shot the communities in the foot by not giving them any notice or support. Given that the key feature in ensuring the quality of Reddit is the moderation "donated" by the community, this is a de…

Yeah cause what you want to do, as an employer, is go out to a community of people you have no control over and say, 'Hey we are about to fire one of your favorite admins, one of your friends maybe. But don't freak out it'll be ok. We can't talk about why we want to fire her, but trust us. Oh and can you not mention it to her before we fire her tomorrow.' Yeah that will go over well.

They could have, and should have, simply stated that she will be gone in a month and laid out at the same time what the handover process would be, given her a generous severance conditional on not stating publicly that she was actually fired until x months or years have passed (by which time nobody will give a shit anymore), and carried on. If they had done this, none of this backlash would have happened at all.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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I don't think the questions were overly disrespectful. It's an Ask Me Anything, not an Ask Me Respectful Things. And it's not the first time someone has called him a shakedown artist or mentioned his out-of-wedlock child.

>Mr. Jackson, You are an immoral, hate-filled race baiter that has figured out how to manipulate the political system for your own gain. You've personally set back race relations year after year and continue to do more harm than good. Extorting money from companies to line your pockets and threatening to bus in protestors and create a fake racial controversy if they don’t agree to pay you off is NOT civil rights acti…

It's equivalent to what happens to someone like E.L. James when she does a Twitter Q&A. Or when Anne Coulter does a Q&A on Reddit.

There was no scenario under which Jessie Jackson was going to get anything but slammed (in semi-respectful and completely disrespectful ways). His profile is very, very polarizing to say the least.

Ultimately you either have a completely open community, or a tightly controlled community. Given a bit of time, there can be no middle ground.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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I have heard a lot of people here and in reddit say, "well we should just make something better and leave!" Maybe a lot of that talk is just anger or discontent coming out right now. The community is up in arms. The moderators are frustrated at both corporate reddit and the website/tools available to them. Users are mortified. But in all seriousness, I want to explore the question, why don't we? What is stopping us f…

> But really, why not just replace it? It costs money to run. Serious money if you're going to have employees. And, as voat have discovered, if you're going to become the favoured destination of the assorted gators, racists, pedo^h^h^h^hebeophiles, woman-haters, frozen peachers, and assorted bottom-of-the-barrel types that have been looking for reddit alternatives in the last few months, you may find it quite difficu…

Right, anyone who disagrees with Reddit's management decisions is deserving of hyperbolic abuse.
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