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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by kaonashi »

lingben wrote: post #114
forgottenpass wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users keep getting pissed off at them. I can't agree more, back in the jedberg/HueyPreist days the staff felt like reddit users, now you get the feeling the office just looks at the community as a magic box of unpaid labor. Anyone putting in real effort is bette…

reddit is one of the simplest and easiest sites for a new user to learn to use. Somehow, Ellen Pao doesn't know how to use reddit, nevermind what the culture and community that has built over a decade truly means. She meant to send someone a pm but did a selfpost instead and then hurriedly erased it and banned everyone that responded to the selfpost: https://archive.is/9RFIp Reminds me of my grandmother sending me a…

Given the content of those replies, banning was entirely warranted.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by pixl97 »

trcollinson wrote: post #175

I have heard a lot of people here and in reddit say, "well we should just make something better and leave!" Maybe a lot of that talk is just anger or discontent coming out right now. The community is up in arms. The moderators are frustrated at both corporate reddit and the website/tools available to them. Users are mortified. But in all seriousness, I want to explore the question, why don't we? What is stopping us f…

>Many of us build and scale applications far larger than this.

In general you do so with a huge corporate budget.

>Building another community like this is high risk and low reward maybe?

That's the answer.

You only have a few ways to monetize the product. Direct advertising; banner ads. The ad market is going to crap though, everyone has them, large numbers of users block them, and payments are very low. Direct payments for features. Reddit has 'Gold' as a means to get premium features and help pay for the site. The other way that has been bandied about, but with no direct evidence that it occurs is indirect advertising. For example a movie star paying for an AMA to advertize for their new film.

Even then those things only work if you can get the people to come to your site in the first place. It's highly likely a large number of social sites have a good deal of vice in their founding. People come to the site looking for porn or other somewhat socially unacceptable topics, but end up staying for the other parts of the community. As the site grows you run in to the inevitable 'great purge' which can cause serious issues.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by markdown »

plorkyeran wrote: post #133
wonderthrowaway wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Part of it is proof, of course: we know it's legitimate when she's sitting right there next to the person and can make them provide proof. We've had situations where agents or others have tried to do an AMA as their client, and Victoria shut that [...] down immediately. Righteous firing or not, a lot of this is a lesson in avoiding a SPOF.

It's also a nice example of how being the single point of failure for something doesn't provide as much job security as some seem to think.

It seems more likely that her employers didn't fully appreciate how much value she provided.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by chatmasta »

So who's going to capitalize on this? Lots of users are pissed off and want to leave. People are pushing "voat.co" really hard, but it looks like a weak clone of reddit that will ultimately suffer from the same problems.

This would be a good time for someone to figure out a decentralized solution to the links+comments app. There is lots of research into decentralized reputation and recommendation algorithms. Combined with cryptocurrency there could be some real potential.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by wingerlang »

astrowilliam wrote: post #177

This is the exact reason why we started PushdUp. As a long time reddit user I was getting sick of the drama that was happening and decided to take it upon myself to create something different. We are still in VERY early alpha so there are bound to be some bugs. Come join the revolution. http://www.pushdup.com , feedback is welcome and encouraged.

Loading animation in the beginning, I'm bored already. After loading, it just looks like some clickbait buzzfeed or auto-generated "read these 5 articles more, please" because of the big pictures set in a grid.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by antjanus »

I'd love to hear some people's opinions: what's the next reddit? Where will people go?

I've been looking at alternatives ever since all the stupid crap with mods came out (mods messing with submissions, resubmitting under their name, and deleting stuff they didn't agree with) and some of my favorite subreddits started to rot. And now, it feels like Reddit is really falling apart.

Any suggestions?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by pixl97 »

Kodix wrote: post #158
stormbeta wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad most of the community there is made up of the worst of reddit. Maybe if enough normal users moved there it'd be worth it, and maybe that will actually happen if reddit doesn't figure out how to salvage this, but until then, there's nothing on voat worth wading through the sewage.

If I recall correctly (it's down right now, not a big surprise) about half of the users are subscribers to voat's fatpeoplehate. Those excellent people are the grassroots of the community you'd be joining.

You may be forgetting that Reddit was built on the same 'shit'. A huge portion of the real content of Reddit was porn and other repugnant topics. The admins of the time faked a huge portion of their posts to form communities around them.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by geofft »

vonklaus wrote: post #122
forgottenpass wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users keep getting pissed off at them. I can't agree more, back in the jedberg/HueyPreist days the staff felt like reddit users, now you get the feeling the office just looks at the community as a magic box of unpaid labor. Anyone putting in real effort is bette…

> basically everything you said It isn't about the firing. It is about subverting posts, subverting ideologies, deleting subs, limiting free speech in general and having an ambiguous morality/decision making process that is impossible to trust. Hiring Pao was so stupid. Leaving aside whether she was qualified, you can't lead a team that doesn't respect or relate to you. > this is a huge vote of "no confidence" toward…

The same goes for Yishan Wong, who personally hired Ellen Pao, supports the recent moderation actions[1], thought he wasn't qualified for the job[2], and censored creepshots, right? The whole thing's been going downhill since 2012, I guess?

[1] http://www.quora.com/Reddit-Strengthens-Moderation-Spring-an...

[2] http://www.redditblog.com/2012/03/new-reddit-ceo-reporting-f...

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by wingerlang »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #44

This is just amazingly tone-deaf on Reddit's part. I don't even read IAMA regularly and I knew Victoria was well-liked. What is Ellen Pao paying attention to if not their highest-profile subreddit? Did she have no transitional plan?

On the flipside, I read it quite a bit (way less, though, since it is just celebrity PR). But I've never heard of her.
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