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Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work

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Funny. It's the main thing I look for when I'm interveiwing companies that I'm looking to work for.

Nothing wrong with that. When you're interviewing, you can use any criteria you like because you're not denying people (except yourself, which is your right) jobs they're qualified for based on random, often discriminatory information.

The process of interviewing future colleagues is the same from both sides of the bench.

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Drinking beer should not be the glue to any team. It is not about drinking alcohol either. It's about smoking out unfit candidates when it is inexpensive to do so and religious fanatics/fundies come at the very top of the list. The skills and expertise of a candidate have to be pretty convincing for me to overlook the fundamentalism part and the troubles that they might bring onboard.

Smoking out, isn't that the vernacular used when trying to get vermin to come out of their hiding places? I'd say that's an interesting choice of words to use in this context, where we're talking about making hiring decisions.

Have you heard of the term "figure of speech" or the phrase "figuratively speaking"?

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You define someone who doesn't drink beer as a religious fanatic? How about someone who doesn't eat pork? How do you not see this as wrong? It is the attitude you claim to despise, that you are currently exhibiting.

Again I have no prob with teetotalers whether for medical, social or religious reasons. The only prob I have is how to screen candidates to root out the fanatics and fundamentals from the moderate and regular conservative folks. Unfortunately, these two subgroups share common traits or values and abstaining from drinking is one of them. What I said was simply that I'd need to extract more info from the candidate to m…

> It is not about anti-religion or religious folks but a policy not to hire crazy and unstable people.

That's another protected characteristic that you've admitted to discriminating against.

Do you actually hire people?

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Again I have no prob with teetotalers whether for medical, social or religious reasons. The only prob I have is how to screen candidates to root out the fanatics and fundamentals from the moderate and regular conservative folks. Unfortunately, these two subgroups share common traits or values and abstaining from drinking is one of them. What I said was simply that I'd need to extract more info from the candidate to m…

> It is not about anti-religion or religious folks but a policy not to hire crazy and unstable people. That's another protected characteristic that you've admitted to discriminating against. Do you actually hire people?

What about stupid people like you who struggle with simple "reading comprehension" exercises in their native language?

Are they protected as well?

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It's tough on an interview to get a feel for how a person is in day-to-day conversation. So the interviewers are looking for areas of common interest to talk about. If they are young, they may have a limited repertoire of topics that usually work; if you shut down all of their ideas for conversation, I hope you at least tried to come up with some topics of your own. Otherwise, you won't have a conversation, and they…

Kids and house aren't hobbies. They're responsibilities.

I guess you could stick to the strict definition, but then you're sitting in the lunch in awkward silence.

Or you could say "I love fixing up my old house. I'm a big fan of Bob Villa, and he inspired me to get a fixer-upper. Most recently I've been putting in a new hardwood floor. It's a lot of trips to Home Depot, and a lot of reading old Time-Life books..."

Which person seems like they will be easier to work with, and an efficient communicator?

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If these are honestly the amounts of time you devote to these things, then you need to make a big change. If you're working 80 hours per week and can't afford to live closer to work, you're working the wrong job. Unless you're a founder (and really, even then it should be temporary), 80 hours is an unreasonable expectation from management. Showering shouldn't take more than 10 minutes. Groceries shouldn't take 4 hour…

I would never hire someone who overworks. There's too much risk of bad quality work in the short term, upset/grumbling workers in the mid term and depressive people in the long term. Brains need refreshment and creativity needs a full life outside work. When you build your company, your own ecosystem is a healthy as the lifestyle of the people who make it. But again, this is valid in Australia and France. I know that…

I don't know anyone who actually works 80 hours a week and I'm in NYC. They're all exaggerating. Most I know of is 60 and he loves it (finance). I'm in one of the most prominent coworking spaces in the city full of startups and the place is a ghost town after 7pm and before 9:30am.

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I have a life that I put down hobbies for. It would be unfair to call my kids, my love life, social events with friends, and keeping up with my necessary life (bills, laundry, groceries, etc.) hobbies. But that's all I have time for, after I hold down a regular job. It's just plain ignorant for younger teams to expect a rockstar in AND out of the office.

Actually, I think those would be acceptable answers. As a young person who works with older coworkers, I'm perfectly willing to talk to you about your kids or buying groceries. I just want to relate to you in a conversation that isn't about work.

It's fine to relate, and I'm pretty sure we all need that. That's why I list hobbies/interests, as a point of departure from strictly relevant professional topics in a résumé. But it's also against most HR policies to ask about family-anything because few can do it without crossing some liability boundaries. This is a good conversation to have.
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