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Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by surge »

ionforce wrote: post #56
agd wrote: post #4

Great decision. It's amazing how quickly gay rights have advanced in the western world. Unfortunately it's still legal in many states to discriminate against employees on the basis of sexual orientation. Hopefully that's next to be fixed.

I blame Glee. I say that a bit tongue-in-cheek but it definitely helps to have gay culture and gay icons just out there in the world, melded seamlessly with the rest of society. This includes things like trashy teen comedies and musicals and what not. Having equal marriage rights is just one more step in the right direction of having a more tolerant, loving earth society.

I blame the Dean, although it's been established he's not gay, that's putting him in a box, he's much more...he's a politician.

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Post by raldi »

plg wrote: post #45

Can we finally stop calling it "gay marriage" and "traditional marriage" and just call it "marriage" now? good job USA I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

True. We don't say "gay passport" or "black diploma" or "woman's fishing license".

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Post by mikehawkins »

giarc wrote: post #59
Liquix wrote: post #11

"A recent Gallup poll found that 60 percent of Americans – an all-time high – support extending the same rights and privileges to same-sex marriages as traditional ones." only 60% of US citizens support same-sex marraige? in my area it is more like 90-95%, this was surprising and sad for me to hear

When you say "in my area it is more like 90-95%" are you referring to your perceived thoughts on what the rate would be, or are you referring to an actual poll? If the former, than your area is probably not 90-95%, your social community is 90-95%. People tend to surround themselves with people with similar views. So it seems like in your town everyone is for gay marriage, when in fact it's the people in your town tha…

Absolutely - and this trend is only accelerating... as Americans, we're surrounding ourselves more and more with people of a similar world view. I can see how it happens (and I'm the same, with the vast majority of my friends and social circle university-educated, reasonably progressive, etc.) but it does distort our ability to imagine what the rest of the society's thinking.

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Post by pstuart »

birdman3131 wrote: post #54
FlannelPancake wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost assuredly a "States Rights" argument. I'd be really shocked if it wasn't.

From what I read it is not a states right argument but an argument that the supreme court is supposed to interpert the laws not make them. Some quotes: "Today, however, the Court takes the extraordinary stepof ordering every State to license and recognize same-sexmarriage. Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration. But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, t…

The SCOTUS didn't make any law here, they simply said the laws being passed were unconstitutional. Isn't that what they're supposed to do?

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Post by MrZongle2 »

I'm a straight conservative (more fiscal than social, and sure as hell not Republican any more), and my reaction to this is: "meh". The writing has been on the wall for a while now, and anybody surprised by this hasn't been paying attention.

Any social conservatives on HN -- that is to say, both of you -- should keep in mind that if you're worried about how this affects the sanctity of marriage, that institution has long since been sullied by a) allowing government to get involved with it, b) easily-obtainable divorces and c) that whole Henry VIII business. Same-sex couples can't possibly do any more damage than that.

Of the threats to American culture or even Western Civilization as a whole, the SSM boogeyman pales in comparison to a feckless electorate, unaccountable government with Big Brother aspirations, crushing debt and even Islamic extremists.

That's why my reaction is "meh": as a "problem", SSM isn't even on the radar.

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Post by damon_c »

enlightenedfool wrote: post #79
plg wrote: post #45

Can we finally stop calling it "gay marriage" and "traditional marriage" and just call it "marriage" now? good job USA I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

Yeah, you should start leading again by cross-species marriage too. It may sound bizarre now but that's how same sex marriage was a 100 years back. Marrying your pets should be legal too.

I had a dog once whose soul I would have been fine to have bound to my own until death did us part which... sadly did happen.

Maybe I'm ready to start seeing other dogs.

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Post by aedocw »

taytus wrote: post #61
baakss wrote: post #30

In my lifetime, I think this is the social issue that has seen the most positive change. As a kid, gay people were practically lepers. Eleven Years ago, Dave Chappelle just outright said "gay sex is just gross, sorry it just is", and it was considered funny and acceptable. (Not harping on him specifically, just pointing out what it was like in 2004) Seven years ago prop 8 passed, if barely with some caveats about lac…

Dave Chappelle is a comedian, they say stuff like that all the time, it's part of their job. If you are going to quote somebody (specially on these issues), I'd recommend not to quote a comedian.

Quoting a comedian as a means of reflecting what's popular or at least socially acceptable is an appropriate and accurate way to say "at one point in recent history, it was socially acceptable to say demeaning things about gay people."

Michael Richards is a comedian, and made anti-Semitic remarks that resulted in a significant backlash. Again, looking back this is a good indication of someone saying something that was NOT popularly acceptable.

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Post by hackuser »

mkr-hn wrote: post #17

For me and a lot of friends and family, marriage equality. Yay. "It is now clear that the challenged laws burden the liberty of same-sex couples, and it must be further acknowledged that they abridge central precepts of equality . . . Especially against a long history of disapproval of their relationships, this denial to same-sex couples of the right to marry works a grave and continuing harm. The imposition of this…

> opinion also reasserted that people who are really mad about this can continue to be mad and vocal about it, as guaranteed by the First Amendment

Was this a question? I don't think I've heard anyone ever say otherwise.

I'll add though, that people long have cloaked oppression in religion. People justified (and still justify) slavery, segregation, and oppression of women under the guise of religion, for example. Some might have been sincere (not that it justifies oppressing others), but for some the 'ultimate' authority of their God is an effective defense against any mortal criticism.

EDIT: To be clear, this is not a problem with religion in particular. I'm only discussing religion because that's the issue on the table. Thanks to chrisguilbeau for pointing that out; I agree with his comment below.

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