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Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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post #49

If love is about ignoring race,class,gender,age shouldn't it be about ignoring numbers, too? Polygamy is the next hurdle for society. The judges should declare all consenting marriage legal !

It absolutely should be restricted by age.

Historically it wasn't.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost assuredly a "States Rights" argument. I'd be really shocked if it wasn't.

From what I read it is not a states right argument but an argument that the supreme court is supposed to interpert the laws not make them. Some quotes: "Today, however, the Court takes the extraordinary stepof ordering every State to license and recognize same-sexmarriage. Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration. But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, t…

Yep. Maybe we differ in our understanding of the phrase "states' rights argument" but the very first sentence you quoted screams "states' rights" to me - "Today, however, the Court takes the extraordinary step of ordering every State to license and recognize same-sex marriage."

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Yeah, I'm still slightly pissed they basically waited until the majority was clear before they'd rule on the matter. Its another clear sign our Judiciary is really just as political as the politicians are, even if no one says so openly. > As late as October, the justices ducked the issue, refusing to hear appeals from rulings allowing same-sex marriage in five states. That decision delivered a tacit victory for gay r…

I don't know. They had to start by striking down the federal benefits part of DoMA, and then return the issue to the lower courts to build up sufficient decisions (and precedent.) It takes time to do this. Frankly I'm astonished (and proud) that public opinion has shifted so quickly.

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why restrict love to one person?

We aren't as open minded on here as we like to think.

It touched a raw nerve apparently based on the voting.

They tried to shout down gay marriage, too.

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post #11

"A recent Gallup poll found that 60 percent of Americans – an all-time high – support extending the same rights and privileges to same-sex marriages as traditional ones." only 60% of US citizens support same-sex marraige? in my area it is more like 90-95%, this was surprising and sad for me to hear

Honestly, without knowing the exact question it's hard to predict what the numbers will be. For example, there used to be a ~15% spread between people who supported gays and lesbians in the military vs. homosexuals in the military. [With another ~15% gap between 'serve in the military' vs. 'serve openly in the military'. The things we choose to care about...]

There is almost certainly a question phrasing that would yield something similar to your general sense of people's opinions (once you adjust for the fact you do not interact with randomly selected people, and tend to discuss the issue only with those who feel safe sharing their opinion with you).

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post #46

Yeah, I'm still slightly pissed they basically waited until the majority was clear before they'd rule on the matter. Its another clear sign our Judiciary is really just as political as the politicians are, even if no one says so openly. > As late as October, the justices ducked the issue, refusing to hear appeals from rulings allowing same-sex marriage in five states. That decision delivered a tacit victory for gay r…

> Yeah, I'm still slightly pissed they basically waited until the majority was clear before they'd rule on the matter. Its another clear sign our Judiciary is really just as political as the politicians are, even if no one says so openly. I'm a strong supporter of gay marriage, but I'm glad the Court waited until the consensus was clear. At bottom, this isn't a right flowing from the dictates of the Constitution. Nob…

The SCOTUS shouldn't wait on consensus. They don't need that. They need to decide if it is legal or not. If it is not, send it back to Congress to fix. While I agree with the ruling, this court has been doing things clearly outside its purview.

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#87
post #45

Can we finally stop calling it "gay marriage" and "traditional marriage" and just call it "marriage" now? good job USA I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

Yeah, you should start leading again by cross-species marriage too. It may sound bizarre now but that's how same sex marriage was a 100 years back. Marrying your pets should be legal too.

Wait can animals consent to marriage? Isn't that a pretty necessary component?

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good...now maybe the so-called "leftists" can put this issue aside and concentrate on issues that matter to more than about 1% of the population...I refer to these really "silly" issues like wages, single-payer healthcare (obamacare is a mess), trade, flooding of the labor supply, the drug war, worker rights and benefits, more time off and vacation, monopolies, regulatory capture, NIMBYized zoning/regs (aka affordabl…

To be fair, it's that big of an issue among conservative Christians as well, when I reality there are much bigger issues that fall under that group's area of concern.

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post #50

As a non american, does the US Government have an official definition of marriage that is going to change today? I understand the social consequences. But what legal rights have been granted now that did not exist previously ?

There are a ton of legal ramifications, including tax benefits (it's advantageous for a married couple to file income taxes jointly), immigration (spousal visas etc.), inheritance, and so on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of...

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