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An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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If Ireland had similar population density to Southeast England, it would have a population of around 39 million.

England has forests, nature reserves, fjords elsewhere. That's why this region can be so dense? Why would you want to build up everything? Where's the gain I wonder?

  > England has forests
Ireland had forests too. Where are they now? Mostly in English castles.

Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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> It's long been the sick man in terms of population growth since 1845 That reminds me of a section from the book "1493", discussing the introduction of the potato to Europe and later the potato-famine: > Today Ireland has the melancholy distinction of being the only nation in Europe, and perhaps the world, to have fewer people within the same boundaries than it did more than 150 years ago.

The Famine made Ireland "Irish" in the sense that we understand it today. The famine caused people to become more pious in their Catholicism, even more impoverished and detest the British even more than what they previously did. It probably was the single most important factor in shaping modern Ireland. Many here are probably aware that Ireland had in 1845 a population of 9 Million but only 6 Million today (all Islan…

Nine million on Ireland in 1845?! They tell us the famine was caused by monoculture; they tell us it was a fungus; they tell us it was English land and farm policy; they tell us it was inequality; they tell us it was import quotas.

But they never mention that Ireland was horribly overcrowded. Nine million is jam packed horror.

At six million today, Ireland should be closed to immigration and paying naturalized Eastern Europeans and North Africans to give up citizenship and leave. Even six million is dangerously overpopulated. Thirty million is pure nightmare.

Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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If Ireland had similar population density to Southeast England, it would have a population of around 39 million.

England has forests, nature reserves, fjords elsewhere. That's why this region can be so dense? Why would you want to build up everything? Where's the gain I wonder?

"fjords elsewhere"

Fjords in England? Where?

Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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Anyone have any idea why in the countries most hit by the recession (Spain, Italy and Greece to name a few) there's striking divergence between population growth specifically decreasing Greece on one hand while increasing in Italy and Spain in general despite the three of them share the same dynamics at play and especially Greece and Spain?

I'm not sure if that's true. Pick Spain: Madrid and all surrounding cities (Toledo, etc.) are a big shade of red. Barcelona and in fact the entire densely populated Mediterranean coast (Valencia, etc.) is also lipstick-red. Sure, let's look at the Basque Country. Also red. The only blue I see is in the mostly rural Extremadura, Leon, etc. (close to Portugal). So even if pop. decreased, not everyone moved from e.g. Ma…

As I see it, most of the blue blobs are in Portugal and Galicia or the Northwest in general. Other population centers in Spain are growing despite the recession and stratospheric youth unemployment.

Also worth mentioning, Spanish people are still regarded to be religious to some extent and so are the Greek. So, I'm a bit surprised to see the divergence here where Greeks shun marriage and raising children while their Spanish counterparts still hold to these traditional values.

Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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The Famine made Ireland "Irish" in the sense that we understand it today. The famine caused people to become more pious in their Catholicism, even more impoverished and detest the British even more than what they previously did. It probably was the single most important factor in shaping modern Ireland. Many here are probably aware that Ireland had in 1845 a population of 9 Million but only 6 Million today (all Islan…

"If the famine didn't happen Ireland could easily have a population of over 30 Million" Would you really want to become Bangladesh? 30 Million seems an awfully high number for a country of such size and latitude.

If Ireland had the population density of the Netherlands, they'd have 34m people. (Ireland ~73.5/km^2 density and ~84k km^2 area; Netherlands 407/km^2 density and ~41k km^2 area).

For reference Bangladesh sits at just above 1000/km^2 density.

Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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The Famine made Ireland "Irish" in the sense that we understand it today. The famine caused people to become more pious in their Catholicism, even more impoverished and detest the British even more than what they previously did. It probably was the single most important factor in shaping modern Ireland. Many here are probably aware that Ireland had in 1845 a population of 9 Million but only 6 Million today (all Islan…

Nine million on Ireland in 1845?! They tell us the famine was caused by monoculture; they tell us it was a fungus; they tell us it was English land and farm policy; they tell us it was inequality; they tell us it was import quotas. But they never mention that Ireland was horribly overcrowded. Nine million is jam packed horror. At six million today, Ireland should be closed to immigration and paying naturalized Easter…

... Ireland has less than a fifth of the population density the Netherlands has. They don't particularly strike me as a "jam packed horror".

Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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They've left the Falklands off the map! How come? I mean, Guyane's there!

Guyane is considered part of France (so part of the EU), but the Falklands (and other overseas territories, there are a few) aren't part of the UK, or the EU.

Ahh I see, excellent answer, very informative. Thanks for taking the time to help :)

Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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The Famine made Ireland "Irish" in the sense that we understand it today. The famine caused people to become more pious in their Catholicism, even more impoverished and detest the British even more than what they previously did. It probably was the single most important factor in shaping modern Ireland. Many here are probably aware that Ireland had in 1845 a population of 9 Million but only 6 Million today (all Islan…

Nine million on Ireland in 1845?! They tell us the famine was caused by monoculture; they tell us it was a fungus; they tell us it was English land and farm policy; they tell us it was inequality; they tell us it was import quotas. But they never mention that Ireland was horribly overcrowded. Nine million is jam packed horror. At six million today, Ireland should be closed to immigration and paying naturalized Easter…

Really? Ireland has 13% of the population density of England, and around 1% of the population density of Greater London, both of which are keeping their heads above water just fine.

Re: An Incredibly Detailed Map of Europe's Population Shifts

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Nine million on Ireland in 1845?! They tell us the famine was caused by monoculture; they tell us it was a fungus; they tell us it was English land and farm policy; they tell us it was inequality; they tell us it was import quotas. But they never mention that Ireland was horribly overcrowded. Nine million is jam packed horror. At six million today, Ireland should be closed to immigration and paying naturalized Easter…

... Ireland has less than a fifth of the population density the Netherlands has. They don't particularly strike me as a "jam packed horror".

You're talking about a country so insanely crowded that they actually manufacture land out of the sea just to squeeze themselves in. In fact, they're famous for it because it's so awful and crazy.

There's significant danger that rising oceans and a major storm could kill millions. That sounds like horror to just about everyone.

And Netherlands has adjacent countries not so dense as itself with forests and open space to adjourn to on weekends for sanity. Ireland is an island.

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