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Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Is this even true? Windows updates only drop critical updates and can't think of a case where updated Windows drivers were automatically installed over existing drivers without explicit request or prompting to do so (except perhaps for critical flaws where the driver itself compromises security). Just yesterday I had to manually find and select an optional driver update for Intel HD graphics which one would expect to…

Generally, Windows Update will update your drivers to the most recent version MS has available -- but they mandate WHQL drivers, so they're rarely the most recent. For example, while MS has nVidia drivers up on Windows Update, if you have a more recent version direct from nVidia, it will not overwrite that. This situation is 100% on Samsung. They've put hardware out there that they can't target properly to overwrite…

Are you sure about this? As I mentioned, just a few days ago I had to manually download and install Intel HD drivers which were listed under "Recommended Updates"(note, the driver provided by Windows was indeed a later version of the one posted on Asus' own site...)

I did some searching and found this on Microsoft's own site:

Automatically get recommended drivers and updates for your hardware

Applies to Windows 7 In this page Drivers and information To have Windows automatically download recommended drivers and icons To turn on and configure Windows Update To install drivers and other optional updates from Windows Update If Windows can't find a driver for your device If Windows can’t find information about your device in Device Stage You can have Windows automatically download recommended drivers and detailed information for your hardware and devices. This is a good way to make sure all your hardware and devices work properly.

Watch this video to learn how to automatically get recommended drivers and updates for your hardware (1:13)

Drivers and information

Windows can find and download two kinds of updates for devices connected to your computer:

Drivers

A driver is software that allows your computer to communicate with hardware devices. Without drivers, the devices you connect to your computer—for example, a mouse or external hard drive—won't work properly. Windows can automatically check if there are drivers available for new devices that you connect to your computer.

For hardware that you've connected to your computer in the past, updated drivers might become available at a later date; but those drivers aren't installed automatically. To install these optional updates, go to Windows Update in Control Panel, check for updates, and then view and install driver updates that are available for your computer."

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/automatically-ge...

EDIT: has anyone confirmed if the USB drivers are in fact proprietary Samsung drivers as opposed to the generic Windows drivers? I'm curious if the support tech was merely stating a contrived example or if that is an real world scenario. So it seems pretty clear they don't install automatically and in fact not even when you install (manually or automatically) the regular crtical updates they post - which is in line with my experience over the years. The one exception might be a service pack where non-critical fixes sometimes make their way into the release (though even these have recommended and optional categories for patches which you must manually select). Ironically, despite some confusing overlap conflating the drivers installed from Windows Update when adding a new device with updating drivers to newer versions as part of the regular Windows Update patching, there are some fairly simple directions to disable drivers sourced from Windows Update for both cases:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2500967

While still unacceptable IMO, using this method would at least allow users to still receive critical security patches and other recommended/optional updates. It even mentions how MS works with third party vendors in some cases to insure only compatible drivers are ever installed (as previously mentioned) which is really the only acceptable procedure.

It seems pretty clear that Samsung chose the absolute worst option of ask those available, though it remains unclear as to why. Given a simple Google search yields plenty of high level info on the subject, I can't help but wonder if this has some other more concerning justification...

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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The simplest explanation is that Samsung has mostly shoddy engineers and designers. The voice recognition thing is that they outsourced the voice recognition, so are just piping all conversation to them. The gamepad thing is "oh we need a gamepad, the 360 is popular right"? the benchmark thing is "our manager wants us to beat these specific benchmarks, let's just overclock for the benchmarks the manager mentioned" I…

amazons alexa is an always on internet connected "speaker" that answers your questions. i expect amazon intends to obtain acceptance by not copping to the fact that it also has to be a microphone.

The Alexa listens for a keyword (Alexa, or it can be changed to Amazon) locally, and then once triggered sends your query to Amazon for processing. That's the same way that "Hey Siri" and "OK Google" work.

Samsung seems to have skipped the 'trigger phrase' part and just sent EVERYTHING and tried to see if it needed to be listened to.

Big difference.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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I think the most simple explanation is that they can get away with it without substantial backlash.

Still doesn't explain why. Are you suggesting they are doing it just for fun?

It's cheaper/easier than doing it 'correctly', and no one is applying enough pressure (such as declining sales) to make them change.

This isn't "Hey lets see if we can screw over our users", it's "This shortcut is easy (and I never even considered how it would effect our users)".

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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post #85

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trying to cripple linux on the desktop according to what I hear year after year again ('still not the year of desktop linux') they even succeeded. lol.

linux on the desktop failed for the same basic reasons many startups fail. They didn't listen to their users or focus on making a product that their users wanted. By users I mean the core market of Windows - the business desktop. How often did linux outreach staff come to a large business and listen to the concerns of the customers? Never (in my experience). How often did Microsoft do this? Often (again in my experie…

Another element is that anything above the kernel is subject to change at whim of some primadonna developer.

MS has in the past bent over backward to maintain binary compatibility.

Some of the same attitude is present in the kernel mantra of not breaking userspace, but userspace devs seems all to happy to break stuff at the drop of a hat.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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If you look at market share for consumers, Apple is doing much better. HP, Lenovo and Dell still rule the enterprise, but Apple does very well with consumers. And more and more enterprises are moving to cloud based solutions, buying tablets and negating the 'need' for PCs, even if for the time being they're still buying cheap PCs.

If we limit the scoop to consumer computers, including Linux seems odd. At least in Sweden extremely few people are using Linux on their computers. Even with Macs it's less than 30%. Can you clarify why big brands should switch to Linux for their consumer PCs considering that few consumers wants it?

Thats one of those chicken and egg things, in particular when MS software has been the big dog of the market for so long.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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If this is true (and frankly I know for a fact it is, as I just downloaded the linked file containing Disable_Windowsupdate.exe, which is signed by Samsung Electronics CO and downloaded from Samsung's own servers) then Microsoft should pick up the phone and threaten the heck out of Samsung, Microsoft while somewhat neutered by anti-trust still has a great deal of power over OEMs and stuff like this is a perfect time…

Honestly, as a Linux user this kind of makes me chuckle. Microsoft has spent so much time abusing their market dominance, trying to cripple linux on the desktop that it's kind of funny for once to see a company which they can't strong-arm doing the same thing back to them.

have they?

or have they just let the open source folks continue to talk and talk about "YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP" while releasing software that is different combinations of buggy, ugly, or a terrible UX.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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> Nowadays there's simply no reason for legitimate applications to have the level of access to the underlying system that they used to have I'm hearing this argument from time to time. But I'd like to know what exactly changed. I can think of a dozen use-cases for which a shared, system-wide filesystem would be absolutely necessary (yes, especially with computer-illiterate friends and relatives, as "files" is pretty…

People neglected the fact that having $HOME access was already bad enough and lived in the illusion that running applications as normal user was safe.

Why is having a home directory bad?

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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First, why would you expect Microsoft to not lobby against laws that prevent it from effectively competing? Second, Why is Microsoft lobbying for non-restrictive purchasing standards bad? It's very clear to me that this has little to do with weather the competition is FOSS - and more to do if the competition can only be indian made software. Buy $country First laws have long been recognized as anti-competitive, prote…

>FOSS of more often then not superior on its merits alone, why does it need a protectionist anti-competitive law to help it compete? If proprietary software is more often then not superior on its merits alone, why does it need a protectionist anti-competitive law (Intellectual property, reverse engineering forbidden by EULAs) to help it compete?

FOSS, in the form of the GPL, aggressively uses IP rights (copyright) to further their goals.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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post #85

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trying to cripple linux on the desktop according to what I hear year after year again ('still not the year of desktop linux') they even succeeded. lol.

linux on the desktop failed for the same basic reasons many startups fail. They didn't listen to their users or focus on making a product that their users wanted. By users I mean the core market of Windows - the business desktop. How often did linux outreach staff come to a large business and listen to the concerns of the customers? Never (in my experience). How often did Microsoft do this? Often (again in my experie…

It's confusing when you address Linux this way. Most Linux distributions are not for-profit, so they're going to have any staff going to businesses. Plus, even if they did, they'd have to offer support, which they aren't able to.

The only distributions that can do that are the enterprise paid ones, and those are mostly meant for the server side. AFAIK there isn't really an enterprise desktop distribution of Linux really intended for that kind of use. Linux on the desktop is what it is -- it's an option for those who want it. Market share is not a big consideration at all.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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If this is true (and frankly I know for a fact it is, as I just downloaded the linked file containing Disable_Windowsupdate.exe, which is signed by Samsung Electronics CO and downloaded from Samsung's own servers) then Microsoft should pick up the phone and threaten the heck out of Samsung, Microsoft while somewhat neutered by anti-trust still has a great deal of power over OEMs and stuff like this is a perfect time…

Yet, Microsoft is responsible for allowing such software to run in the background with no notification or authorization by the user or means to disable it.

If they didn't they would probably get sued and bashed on HN for promoting walled gardens and abusing OEMs.

Google has a similar problem with Android. They solved it by having anyone who wants to include Google services to fall into line.

Apple goes to extremes on iOS to prevent things like this.

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