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Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Post by simoncion »

electic wrote: post #42
crdoconnor wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, as a Linux user this kind of makes me chuckle. Microsoft has spent so much time abusing their market dominance, trying to cripple linux on the desktop that it's kind of funny for once to see a company which they can't strong-arm doing the same thing back to them.

Let the past be the past. The new MS is making some good moves. However, this is not MS's fault. When you operate in an OEM type environment, you will run into situations like this. For example, if OSX was an OEM offering, companies would disable services and make unsavory modifications. The reality, is like Lenovo, we have a bad vendor here and probably think twice before buying PCs from Samsung.

> The new MS is making some good moves.

The old New MSFT made some good moves too. Then they went back to being the Bad MSFT. I hope that the company has figured out how to break the cycle of abuse, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Post by ygra »

interurban wrote: post #38
JadeNB wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although the language is a bit cagey, it seems like at least parts of Windows 10 will be downloaded before the official availability date: > Between reservation and when your upgrade is ready, the files you need for the upgrade will be downloaded to your PC to make the final installation go more quickly. (from http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq > What happens when I reserve?).

I stand at least partially corrected, that certainly is some vague phrasing. It could be anything from installer files to the whole OS.

Likely to avoid overloading their servers on launch date by spreading out the downloads over the preceding two weeks or so.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Post by jbdigriz »

vcarl wrote: post #8

> When you enable Windows updates, it will install the Default Drivers for all the hardware no laptop which may or may not work. For example if there is USB 3.0 on laptop, the ports may not work with the installation of updates. So to prevent this, SW Update tool will prevent the Windows updates. So they "fixed" the problem of their driver getting overwritten by disabling all OS level updates? Oof. Screams shoddy dev…

Is this even true? Windows updates only drop critical updates and can't think of a case where updated Windows drivers were automatically installed over existing drivers without explicit request or prompting to do so (except perhaps for critical flaws where the driver itself compromises security). Just yesterday I had to manually find and select an optional driver update for Intel HD graphics which one would expect to be in category of "autoupdate" if this were true...

Disabling ALL of Windows Update for this questionable reason seems entirely out of line. If their own SW Update software is already present, why not instead track said drivers and simply alert the user that vendor specific drivers must be used, offering the ability to restore them?? Makes no sense...

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Post by Mikeb85 »

nitramnitram wrote: post #48
Mikeb85 wrote: post #40

To be fair, Windows generally updates itself at the worst times, rendering your computer inoperable for an absurdly long time (a typical Windows update often takes longer than updating to a completely new version of a typical Linux distro). OEMs should just throw their weight behind one of the commercial Linuxes and be done with the madness. They want to compete with Apple and OSX, that's their chance.

Wait a sec.. Apple has like 8% market share for desktops while Windows has ~80%. And Linux has just a few percents.

If you look at market share for consumers, Apple is doing much better.

HP, Lenovo and Dell still rule the enterprise, but Apple does very well with consumers. And more and more enterprises are moving to cloud based solutions, buying tablets and negating the 'need' for PCs, even if for the time being they're still buying cheap PCs.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Post by geon »

nivla wrote: post #13

I don't understand, why is Samsung pulling stunts like this all the time? It would make sense if they were trying to get up the ladder but they are already there, they hold an unquestionably large market share of Android. Things like these won't do any good in the long run but only prompt consumers to actively avoid the brand. Some of the things that really surprises me: [1] http://gizmodo.com/samsung-rigged-the-s4-t…

The gamepad is a complete non-issue. It is as similar to the xbox controller as the xbox controller is to the dreamcast controller, which in turn is similar to...

It is the rounded rectangle all over again.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Post by [deleted] »

nivla wrote: post #13

I don't understand, why is Samsung pulling stunts like this all the time? It would make sense if they were trying to get up the ladder but they are already there, they hold an unquestionably large market share of Android. Things like these won't do any good in the long run but only prompt consumers to actively avoid the brand. Some of the things that really surprises me: [1] http://gizmodo.com/samsung-rigged-the-s4-t…

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Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Post by crdoconnor »

bentcorner wrote: post #4

Isn't there a method by which Samsung can deliver to Microsoft the set of drivers required for their hardware, to solve this exact problem? Is this a matter of Samsung not wanting to go through the WHQL process?

It's possible that Microsoft have been covertly throttling the WHQL process to punish Samsung somehow. They are competing head on with Microsoft in a number of other markets (tablets, etc.), and WHQL is not really subject to much, if any, legal scrutiny.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Post by MichaelCrawford »

rtpg wrote: post #41
nivla wrote: post #13

I don't understand, why is Samsung pulling stunts like this all the time? It would make sense if they were trying to get up the ladder but they are already there, they hold an unquestionably large market share of Android. Things like these won't do any good in the long run but only prompt consumers to actively avoid the brand. Some of the things that really surprises me: [1] http://gizmodo.com/samsung-rigged-the-s4-t…

The simplest explanation is that Samsung has mostly shoddy engineers and designers. The voice recognition thing is that they outsourced the voice recognition, so are just piping all conversation to them. The gamepad thing is "oh we need a gamepad, the 360 is popular right"? the benchmark thing is "our manager wants us to beat these specific benchmarks, let's just overclock for the benchmarks the manager mentioned" I…

amazons alexa is an always on internet connected "speaker" that answers your questions.

i expect amazon intends to obtain acceptance by not copping to the fact that it also has to be a microphone.

Re: Samsung disabling Windows Update?

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Post by ubernostrum »

imrehg wrote: post #33
firloop wrote: post #5

Meta: I submitted this post with the article's title but it seems the mods have changed the title to something less loaded.

That's weird. I don't think I like that the mods can tone down an article title, when submitters are expected to use the original. If the article title makes a wrong claim, the comments and the voting mechanism will take care of that, does not seem to be the call mods should be making....

The guidelines are:

* If you use the original title, that's wrong; you should use a less-sensationalized title.

* If you use a less-sensationalized title, that's wrong; you should use the original title.

I hope that clears it up.

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