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Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by ensignavenger »

joezydeco wrote: post #59
auxym wrote: post #15

As a fresh grad interviewing for (real, non-internship) jobs for the first time, I'm really surprised at how long the hiring process is. The article mentions 23 days average. I'm currently interviewing for a BigCo where I already had done an internship, so they knew me. After I contacted my former supervisor, it took him 2 weeks of wrestling bureaucracy to open a position, then HR insists on collecting CVs for 4 week…

then HR insists on collecting CVs for 4 weeks I'm not sure what things are like where you are, but I have recently gone through a hiring cycle for an engineer and it honestly took this long to gather resumes that were worth pursuing.

How many resumes do you think you need before you begin pursuing the ones that are worth pursuing? The sensible thing would be to start pursuing immediately, as they come in. Especially as in the OP case, it sounds like the hiring manager already know who they want.

Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

tbomb wrote: post #14
aidos wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine what the theory is, but does it make sense in practice? Do you know which industries it tends to apply to? Would a developer be asked to take a drug test? It's interesting, because I've worked with a lot of people in a lot of places over the years and I've never seen drugs as a problem that impedes workplace attendance / performance. Alcohol / hangovers, sure - plenty of times - but they're not testing…

I'm not sure they can test for alcohol since it is federally legal (I know that most places would test for on the job incidents however. I'm meaning it in a "drug test" style screening). Aside from that, I'm not sure how long you can find traces of it in your system. I wouldn't guess it to be longer than 48 hours. EDIT: parentheses content.

Private company can test you for being a Democrat or being gay. I don't see why not alcohol.

Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by bediger4000 »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #89
bediger4000 wrote: post #88

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My point is that potheads probably don't call in "sick" from a weekend bender hangover, but we know alcoholics do. We test for marijuana use, we don't test for alcohol use. We know for a fact that even a teetotalling, cautious person calls in real sick every once in a while. So the reason for drug testing being "to avoid absences" is logically inconsistent.

Its incomplete; still useful if we assert that potheads will miss work.

Stipulated. But experience with co-workers tells me that drinkers miss more than potheads work, and can have catastrophic life collapses. "Drug" tests don't often test for alcohol consumption. So, I still think that "drug" tests aren't in place for that particular reason.

Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

bediger4000 wrote: post #93
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its incomplete; still useful if we assert that potheads will miss work.

Stipulated. But experience with co-workers tells me that drinkers miss more than potheads work, and can have catastrophic life collapses. "Drug" tests don't often test for alcohol consumption. So, I still think that "drug" tests aren't in place for that particular reason.

Arguable. I personally don't think any invasive test is warranted. Measure my performance; all else is irrelevant.

Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by samstave »

heh -- I know some people who interviewed for the Teespring DevOps lead position.... they said that teespring was trying to "interview like google, while being a tee shirt company" -- teespring keeps putting that posting up.

Maybe they should realize their reqs for that position, or their actual interview process is a little disconnected from who they are...?

Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by samstave »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #92
tbomb wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure they can test for alcohol since it is federally legal (I know that most places would test for on the job incidents however. I'm meaning it in a "drug test" style screening). Aside from that, I'm not sure how long you can find traces of it in your system. I wouldn't guess it to be longer than 48 hours. EDIT: parentheses content.

Private company can test you for being a Democrat or being gay. I don't see why not alcohol.

How do you test for either of those?

Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by samstave »

joezydeco wrote: post #55
atwebb wrote: post #53

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You got some...interesting replies. I think it's mainly a CYA/insurance thing as well as a simple test to weed out undesirable traits. It's generally well known that you'll be tested prior to hire (at least in the US). My view is accept that and either a) stop/pass the test b) find somewhere that doesn't care

I was confused by this part of the article. Are 23% of candidates being screened at the interview phase , or at the pre-job-offer phase? Drug screening isn't a cheap thing that you just do to everyone that walks in the door. My company puts a common clause in the offer letter that says "this offer is contingent upon your successful completion of a drug screening, confirmation of your references, and the verification…

Lots of companies have services where their employees are contractors to other companies. Other companies can require the services co to screen all their contractors for drugs as a part of liability coverage.

For example - if you work for a company that provides contract services to healthcare / hospital / gov / dod companies or agencies - you will likely be required to take a drug screen. and this is done prior to your offer being officially accepted on their end.

Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by brightsize »

fecak wrote: post #42
arethuza wrote: post #8

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Another tiresome tactic that recruitment firms use is to leave up ads for roles that were actually filled months ago - either to attract CVs and/or make them look busier than they actually are. Edit: There's probably a book waiting to be written on the dodgy tactics of recruitment firms. Mind you, I became a bit less harsh on individual recruiters when I was in an office that shared a floor of a building with a recru…

I've been recruiting for almost 20 years and have been considering writing a book about various tactics. My blog regularly exposes some of the recruiter tricks and strategies on topics from counteroffers to candidate control. If I become convinced there would be even modest demand, I'd write it.

I'd love to read that. I've also been curious about how the Indian Recruiter industry works. I get far more of their spam than that from any other source. I remember at one point they were adopting hilariously over-the-top British names. Venkat would identify himself as Bradford Wellington the Third or some such. A lot of that has stopped, the tactic must have backfired.

Re: Seen that job listing for a while, its no coincidence

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Post by frandroid »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #47
pjc50 wrote: post #32

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An ex-girlfriend of mine applied, on graduating, for a job at a prestigious investment bank. She heard nothing back. Eighteen months later , after she'd been through two jobs and emigrated, they sent her a letter expressing interest.

I thought there are laws in the US about how long employers are allowed to keep candidate info in the system something like 12 months is what I remember hearing.

Sounds like violations are not being prosecuted!
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