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Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by mrbtie » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 6:38 AM UTC

obstinate wrote: post #156

hoopd wrote: post #153

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The reason to set a higher bar is this: in a heated debate where core beliefs are being challenged there will always a temptation to decide you're dealing with an idiot or a monster even when you aren't.

I understand the theory. I do not believe that this is the optimal approach in practice.

Do you have any reason to believe that name-calling is the optimal way to "remove the bad actors from the conversation"? In my experience, its only likely outcome is the destruction of potentially healthy debate.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by tzs » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 6:42 AM UTC

The long Vanity Fair article from 2013 on Pao and Fletcher that someone else linked to is actually really interesting, but the comments that included the link were inflammatory and derailed discussion, so I'm guessing many people who would have enjoyed the Vanity Fair article skipped it.

Here's the link: http://www.vanityfair.com/style/scandal/2013/03/buddy-fletch...

AMC or HBO or Netflix could make a pretty interesting TV show out of this.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by Steko » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 6:55 AM UTC

rnovak wrote: post #152

obstinate wrote: post #68

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This logic would basically forbid any lawsuit, no matter how meritorious. Leaving aside what you think her odds are, this isn't how it works. You have to balance the odds of each outcome, not just the absolute best and worst cases.

Aren't like 95%[0] of all cases settled before they even reach trial? To me it seems like that would indicate this logic isn't entirely flawed. [0] http://thelawdictionary.org/article/what-percentage-of-lawsu...

The problem with the logic is you can basically plug any number in there and say they should have settled for that number too. If people always just settled becuase they might lose guess how much Big Corps will offer for settlements?

It's easy to say she should have settled in hindsight but if she had won big we'd be saying KP should have offered her more.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by knyte » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 8:18 AM UTC

jfuhrman wrote: post #146

001sky wrote: post #96

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You should probably check your facts on this.

Are you serious? Do you even know how Reddit works?

Admins also have censoring power. I can't find it, but there was a post by I think /u/karmanaut saying that the admins were filtering out Pao-related content in a way that didn't allow mods to re-approve it.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by majani » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 9:03 AM UTC

DanBlake wrote: post #73

cjensen wrote: post #66

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Because of the ban on groups which actively harass others? Or is there another reason?

I think its because of the censoring of stuff which is critical of her and her husband and less about the banning of fat hate subs - See: https://twitter.com/arrington/status/609065906900066304 It especially does not help the fact that her husband was at the helm of a massive scheme that defrauded untold amounts of public workers in regards to their pension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Fletcher http://nypost.c…

Let's not forget Ellen Pao's husband is an openly gay male hedge fund manager.

fortune.com/2012/10/25/ellen-pao-buddy-fletcher/

That to me screams that she's a big time financial schemer.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by zedadex » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 10:20 AM UTC

comex wrote: post #26

raldi wrote: post #16

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Great reporting by the bicycle-repair shop known as Reuters.

I thought they were an Australian-themed maker of networking equipment that forwards data between different networks.

> an Australian-themed maker of networking equipment

"We build networks and get in fights"

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by mcphage » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 1:09 PM UTC

atorralb wrote: post #51

One thing is for sure, Ellen Pao is not liked in Reddit.

There are certainly parts of Reddit where she isn't liked, definitely. But there are parts of Reddit where they don't like anyone who doesn't let them behave like spoiled, obnoxious children, so I wouldn't consider that indicative of anything.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by PythonicAlpha » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 1:11 PM UTC

WalterGR wrote: post #94

PythonicAlpha wrote: post #22

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That is just the opposite of what I tried to say. I am not a native speaker, so I might have been misunderstood ...?? Some things just go beyond figures ...

I am not a native speaker, so I might have been misunderstood ...?? No, you weren't. In the U.S. the primary way to get redress in these kinds of situations is a lawsuit with a concrete financial reward. And to some people, the seeking of a financial reward implies only the desire for the financial reward . So by that logic: by virtue of seeking redress you're only out for some cold hard cash. And what easier reason…

Yes, it seems to be a little two-faced. You are stupid, if you don't take hard cash, but when you do, you are called crooked.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 2:55 PM UTC

mrbtie wrote: post #161

obstinate wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the theory. I do not believe that this is the optimal approach in practice.

Do you have any reason to believe that name-calling is the optimal way to "remove the bad actors from the conversation"? In my experience, its only likely outcome is the destruction of potentially healthy debate.

There is nothing potentially healthy about the kind of smear campaign happening in this thread. If we saw no discussion of her husband, the posts that she did not actually remove, or claims that she extorted kp or lied about things that happened, then maybe.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by jfuhrman » Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 4:18 PM UTC

knyte wrote: post #164

jfuhrman wrote: post #146

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Are you serious? Do you even know how Reddit works?

Admins also have censoring power. I can't find it, but there was a post by I think /u/karmanaut saying that the admins were filtering out Pao-related content in a way that didn't allow mods to re-approve it.

Nah there isn't.