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Stripe Is the New PayPal

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Re: Stripe Is the New PayPal

#21

What were you selling, how and to whom? I feel like there's probably more to this.

It is quite likely that certain outrage deflating details were left out. Stripe and Paypal are polar opposites in my experience.

"I've had a good experience with Stripe so everyone must have unless it was their fault" is a good example of the Halo Effect. It's entirely possible that Stripe have failed one of their customers without it being the customer's fault.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

Re: Stripe Is the New PayPal

#22
Kind of reminds me of doing business with Google. Most times they ban you it is just a robot that has no clue it is wrong. They just set the thresholds ridiculously high and put up with false positives intentionally as a business choice. Throwing out some innocents is worth it to them to throw out anyone faking clicks or whatnot.

Re: Stripe Is the New PayPal

#23
Square might be the new PayPal in that they're (finally) big enough to have banks breathing down their neck. Honestly, I think the hate is misplaced (for both Square and PP), and should be directed towards the banks who have pushed the security burden upon these tech providers.

Re: Stripe Is the New PayPal

#25
post #17

> So how could it be true that the payments are unauthorised? Stolen cards, for instance, which may be more likely to happen in some industries than others. While I understand the need for ambiguity with respect to your business operations, this post is too vague to give any understanding as to why Stripe blocked your account.

The post talks about unauthorised charges. There is no way to validate the card prior to Stripe capturing payment, so they certainly are not upset about people using stolen cards on your own site, as you have no way of mitigating that. The migration to Stripe that I handled a year or so ago had 5 or 6 stolen cards/people iterating card lists looking for working cards per day and never had a complaint from Stripe. Onc…

Sort of. Some products are real magnets for stolen card use, for example anything that sells "gift cards" or "stored value card" where the crooks can convert a one time use of a stolen credit card into a 'clean' gift card. Some forms of merchandise are similar.

Re: Stripe Is the New PayPal

#26
post #17

> So how could it be true that the payments are unauthorised? Stolen cards, for instance, which may be more likely to happen in some industries than others. While I understand the need for ambiguity with respect to your business operations, this post is too vague to give any understanding as to why Stripe blocked your account.

The post talks about unauthorised charges. There is no way to validate the card prior to Stripe capturing payment, so they certainly are not upset about people using stolen cards on your own site, as you have no way of mitigating that. The migration to Stripe that I handled a year or so ago had 5 or 6 stolen cards/people iterating card lists looking for working cards per day and never had a complaint from Stripe. Onc…

You're partly incorrect. Stripe has supported auth+capture for a while now. You're no longer required to capture the payment immediately.

https://stripe.com/docs/api#capture_charge

Re: Stripe Is the New PayPal

#28
We've been with Stripe going on a year and a half and they've been one of the most responsive and with it service providers I've ever worked with.

Can you tell us how long it has been since you sent the email?

There must be some level of fraud prevention in any financial platform. You didn't give many details as to the type of charges you made or evidence past "no one charged back" as to how you made them. This is a public platform and I understand less than full disclosure but your narrative that:

1. You signed up

2. You charged people legitimately

3. You were cut off without notice

4. No one responded to multiple attempts over more than 1 business day

5. You were forced to take this action

Seems unlikely to be the full and absolute time line of events.

If it is, ok, post to HN and troll them. If not, is this really the medium? Doesn't stripe get a say on which transactions will and won't process on their own network?

If your expectation is "everything charges all the time period" then use bitcoin. These are credit cards. There are rules. :-)

Re: Stripe Is the New PayPal

#30

Have you tried tweeting at them? https://twitter.com/stripe/ They're way more responsive over twitter than email.

You shouldn't have to publicly tweet at a company about an issue regarding your bank accounts/debit cards to get their attention though
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