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Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by y2bd »

gavanwoolery wrote: post #46
JeremyBanks wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My searches on Reddit for entirely unrelated keywords have been increasingly polluted by distracting hateful crap that I do not want to see. Subreddits aren't independent/isolated enough that they can do whatever they want without it having an impact on the site as a whole. Reddit's looking for more growth. I'm sure that many potential users have been turned away from the site by similar experiences. If they manage t…

I can respect that - I never use Reddit's search function so I have been relatively unaware of that. I think the problem is that its almost impossible to police all of reddit - even if you shut down one thing (as we saw) 10 more pop up. Not sure there is a good solution, but the lesser of evils might be to just ignore the antagonists.

Given that /r/all currently has pretty much zero note of the crapshow from a couple days ago, I would think actually facing it and just bracing for a couple of days pays off a lot more than just ignoring it and letting it build up over time.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by nols »

javert wrote: post #52
gooeyblob wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is she ruining reddit?

Because banning certain reddits is a value to no-one and a disvalue to everyone. It does not add value to me to have subreddits Ellen Pao personally disagrees with be banned. Rather, it takes away value. And now that the precedent has been set, the same will be the case with future reddit leadership.

It is a mistake to assume Ellen Pao is the reason for /r/fatpeoplehate's removal, both /r/jailbait and /r/creepshots were banned before she worked at Reddit. Who's to say /r/fatpeoplehate wasn't also removed at a consensus by the staff?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by gavanwoolery »

y2bd wrote: post #61
gavanwoolery wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can respect that - I never use Reddit's search function so I have been relatively unaware of that. I think the problem is that its almost impossible to police all of reddit - even if you shut down one thing (as we saw) 10 more pop up. Not sure there is a good solution, but the lesser of evils might be to just ignore the antagonists.

Given that /r/all currently has pretty much zero note of the crapshow from a couple days ago, I would think actually facing it and just bracing for a couple of days pays off a lot more than just ignoring it and letting it build up over time.

Could very well be the case :)

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by Steko »

javert wrote: post #52
gooeyblob wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is she ruining reddit?

Because banning certain reddits is a value to no-one and a disvalue to everyone. It does not add value to me to have subreddits Ellen Pao personally disagrees with be banned. Rather, it takes away value. And now that the precedent has been set, the same will be the case with future reddit leadership.

Banning hate and harrassment subreddits has value to many people.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate »

rnovak wrote: post #43
dylanjermiah wrote: post #2

"Pao, who has said she would appeal, has offered to drop her case for $2.7 million, Kleiner Perkins said in a court filing earlier this month."

I get that people will probably disagree, but she just seems to not make very good business decisions. Maybe I'm way off base, but I've read a bunch of well qualified lawyers say that juries are just plain unpredictable, and that no competent lawyer can "guarantee" to win. In that light, even if the $1M settlement wasn't what you're asking for, I would think it paints a better picture of you than losing and having to…

This logic would basically forbid any lawsuit, no matter how meritorious. Leaving aside what you think her odds are, this isn't how it works. You have to balance the odds of each outcome, not just the absolute best and worst cases.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate »

cjensen wrote: post #66
atorralb wrote: post #51

One thing is for sure, Ellen Pao is not liked in Reddit.

Because of the ban on groups which actively harass others? Or is there another reason?

Well, she's a woman, which alone is enough to catch a lot of heat on Reddit.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by lugg »

PythonicAlpha wrote: post #22
albertop wrote: post #18

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righteousness == $2.7M ?

That is just the opposite of what I tried to say. I am not a native speaker, so I might have been misunderstood ...?? Some things just go beyond figures ...

albertop, and I, are confused by your post, because you are defending her decision to refuse the 1 million with "righteousness" but must have missed the part of the article where it states she counter offered to settle for 2.7 million.

.. or, 2.7m = righteousness

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