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Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Related, over 10k people has petitioned for her to step down from her position at reddit: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red...

This balogna is getting posted on HN now? For the record she was appointed CEO before her trial (although after she filed suit) to replace Yishan Wong and people have been crying about censorship on Reddit long before she ever worked there. Also Alexis Ohanian has publicly talked about sexism in tech since before Pao worked at Reddit[0].

0. http://alexisohanian.com/dear-fellow-geeks-what-the-fuck

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

(downvote at will, rephrased to make it a bit more polite) As far as I could tell, people were relatively content with Reddit even when it had bad stuff, but people started getting noisy when the censorship started. Comes down to a debate on censorship, which is admittedly quite divided. I don't condone hate speech, but its also sometimes tricky to separate hatred from a rational opinion about something. Ultimately y…

No it wasn't, it was creating cesspits of hate when left to itself. Considering the amount of good communities on that website, the last thing I would want is for it to be overrun by such negativeness.

My searches on Reddit for entirely unrelated keywords have been increasingly polluted by distracting hateful crap that I do not want to see. Subreddits aren't independent/isolated enough that they can do whatever they want without it having an impact on the site as a whole. Reddit's looking for more growth. I'm sure that many potential users have been turned away from the site by similar experiences. If they manage to clean up the site without killing it, it could really help.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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How is that related to her lawsuit? It seems completely unrelated to me. In any case, 10k "people" (it's easy to game these things) is just a drop in the bucket of reddit's userbase.

Most of us aren't in the position to get sued for gender discrimination. So this whole Ellen Pao thing is just a bunch of nerds eating popcorn. It's our version of a celebrity magazine. So in that sense, more gossip about Ellen Pao's personal life/actions at reddit (which she is ruining) are completely par for the course.

How is she ruining reddit?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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How is that related to her lawsuit? It seems completely unrelated to me. In any case, 10k "people" (it's easy to game these things) is just a drop in the bucket of reddit's userbase.

Because someone suing for false claims is now at the head of Reddit, and she has the power to censor things she does not like (and actively uses it). I'd day it's related.

What evidence do you have that she actively uses it?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Related, over 10k people has petitioned for her to step down from her position at reddit: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red...

(downvote at will, rephrased to make it a bit more polite) As far as I could tell, people were relatively content with Reddit even when it had bad stuff, but people started getting noisy when the censorship started. Comes down to a debate on censorship, which is admittedly quite divided. I don't condone hate speech, but its also sometimes tricky to separate hatred from a rational opinion about something. Ultimately y…

Freedom of speech does not apply here. Reddit is not a forum owned by the public, it's a business. Reddit is within their rights to remove any content as they see fit.

Yeah, people complain once they realize walled gardens like Reddit start censoring whatever they choose only /after/ they get too big to stop. Same goes for closed ecosystems like the App Store and Google Play. Guess you should have read the fine print before giving your unquestioned allegiance to all these closed platforms.

I yearn for the days when the Internet was truly open. You can still launch any kind of site you want. But the truth is there is an ever shrinking number of players who now get to decide what content should or shouldn't be seen, and who should get referral traffic. The censorship I see is both ideological and business motivated. A relative few will control all of the information everyone gets to actually see, because no one will bother to look elsewhere. Sad really.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Related, over 10k people has petitioned for her to step down from her position at reddit: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red...

While I wouldn't sign the petition and I don't care about her lawsuit or the recent subreddits that were banned, I'm turned off from reddit by their reaction to the fallout, particularly their fudging of the front page and /r/all and blocking comments mentioning an imgur alternative. I'm back to reading funnies from fark.com and now looking at voat.co. It's been a long time coming, longer than Pao has been CEO, and I…

Yeah I'd love to see the evidence there is any 'fudging' of the frontpage or blocking comments. I seriously doubt there is.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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If the cost of work is $229k, and the reward is $276k, then why is there a $47k difference? Making the defendants whole?

Why is there any award at all? I keep hearing that defending a case can bankrupt a person or company that doesn't have deep pockets even if they are successful. Why do these guys get reimbursed?

The $229k was simply the Jude's guess at the cost. The firm stated it was 865k.
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