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Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by gavanwoolery »

tomlongson wrote: post #4

Related, over 10k people has petitioned for her to step down from her position at reddit: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red...

(downvote at will, rephrased to make it a bit more polite) As far as I could tell, people were relatively content with Reddit even when it had bad stuff, but people started getting noisy when the censorship started.

Comes down to a debate on censorship, which is admittedly quite divided. I don't condone hate speech, but its also sometimes tricky to separate hatred from a rational opinion about something. Ultimately you can't control the voices of people, they will find creative ways to broadcast their message for better or worse (as we saw when reddit shut down FPH). Censorship really only hits the beehive and makes the bad people more visible. As one example of this, I had no idea that FPH existed until Reddit shut it down.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#12

Post by phkahler »

minimaxir wrote: post #6

If the cost of work is $229k, and the reward is $276k, then why is there a $47k difference? Making the defendants whole?

Why is there any award at all? I keep hearing that defending a case can bankrupt a person or company that doesn't have deep pockets even if they are successful. Why do these guys get reimbursed?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#13

Post by arenaninja »

tomlongson wrote: post #4

Related, over 10k people has petitioned for her to step down from her position at reddit: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red...

While I wouldn't sign the petition and I don't care about her lawsuit or the recent subreddits that were banned, I'm turned off from reddit by their reaction to the fallout, particularly their fudging of the front page and /r/all and blocking comments mentioning an imgur alternative. I'm back to reading funnies from fark.com and now looking at voat.co. It's been a long time coming, longer than Pao has been CEO, and I'm not sure how many people realize that

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by rtpg »

gavanwoolery wrote: post #11
tomlongson wrote: post #4

Related, over 10k people has petitioned for her to step down from her position at reddit: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red...

(downvote at will, rephrased to make it a bit more polite) As far as I could tell, people were relatively content with Reddit even when it had bad stuff, but people started getting noisy when the censorship started. Comes down to a debate on censorship, which is admittedly quite divided. I don't condone hate speech, but its also sometimes tricky to separate hatred from a rational opinion about something. Ultimately y…

No it wasn't, it was creating cesspits of hate when left to itself. Considering the amount of good communities on that website, the last thing I would want is for it to be overrun by such negativeness.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#17

Post by [deleted] »

gavanwoolery wrote: post #11
tomlongson wrote: post #4

Related, over 10k people has petitioned for her to step down from her position at reddit: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red...

(downvote at will, rephrased to make it a bit more polite) As far as I could tell, people were relatively content with Reddit even when it had bad stuff, but people started getting noisy when the censorship started. Comes down to a debate on censorship, which is admittedly quite divided. I don't condone hate speech, but its also sometimes tricky to separate hatred from a rational opinion about something. Ultimately y…

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Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by albertop »

PythonicAlpha wrote: post #9
dylanjermiah wrote: post #2

"Pao, who has said she would appeal, has offered to drop her case for $2.7 million, Kleiner Perkins said in a court filing earlier this month."

What do you want to say? Should everybody just pick the money and run? Without knowing the details of the case and the reasoning of the people, it also could be possible that this woman was not looking for the money, but righteousness. And no, I am not convinced (without knowing any details), that because the judgement was against her, that this is justness. (I have seen so many unjust judgments in my own country tha…

righteousness == $2.7M ?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by michaelhoffman »

phkahler wrote: post #12
minimaxir wrote: post #6

If the cost of work is $229k, and the reward is $276k, then why is there a $47k difference? Making the defendants whole?

Why is there any award at all? I keep hearing that defending a case can bankrupt a person or company that doesn't have deep pockets even if they are successful. Why do these guys get reimbursed?

They only get reimbursed for some costs. In this case, chiefly witness fees. They probably paid hundreds of thousands in fees to lawyers which are not reimbursed.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by ekianjo »

whyenot wrote: post #10
tomlongson wrote: post #4

Related, over 10k people has petitioned for her to step down from her position at reddit: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red...

How is that related to her lawsuit? It seems completely unrelated to me. In any case, 10k "people" (it's easy to game these things) is just a drop in the bucket of reddit's userbase.

Because someone suing for false claims is now at the head of Reddit, and she has the power to censor things she does not like (and actively uses it). I'd day it's related.
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