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Depression's Upside (2010)

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Re: Depression's Upside (2010)

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I suffered from depression for several years. What worked eventually is meditation. I meditate 1 hour every day in a meditation center and I participate regularly in retreats and I feel happier every day.

I would love if you would be willing to spare more details. I'm looking to start learning how to meditate. What worked for you? Where did you start?

A good posture, focusing on the moment, the sensations, the breathing, accepting the thoughts but not feeding them. Do that every day and be patient. It is best to practice with other people as more experienced people can guide you. Some people start right away with a retreat. It is also a good way to start.

Re: Depression's Upside (2010)

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I've just started CBT to hopefully fix my broken spirit, the article nailed my symptoms. I'm not sure my staying indoors in a darkened room and sighing a lot is helping me to focus on anything though.

Get out into the sun. I don't know why, but something about about getting a minimum amount of sunlight (hour?) every day improves my mood immensely throughout the rest of the day. The Seasonal Affective Disorder is real

Re: Depression's Upside (2010)

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I would love if you would be willing to spare more details. I'm looking to start learning how to meditate. What worked for you? Where did you start?

A good posture, focusing on the moment, the sensations, the breathing, accepting the thoughts but not feeding them. Do that every day and be patient. It is best to practice with other people as more experienced people can guide you. Some people start right away with a retreat. It is also a good way to start.

I... need a guide or something. I expect I'll do more research this weekend, but just sitting and listening to myself breathe? I have plenty of calmness in my life, but surely there's a difference between meditation and relaxation?

Sorry, not really directing this at you, its late, kinda just stream of consciousing before sleep. I do appreciate your response : )

Re: Depression's Upside (2010)

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> My own theory of depression is that it is your brain's way of getting you to change something in your life that is counterproductive to your future wellbeing. Sometimes it isn't entirely obvious what exactly is causing the depression, but if you evaluate all aspects of your life and ask yourself "is this what I really want?", you will eventually figure it out. Utter crap. If I thought long and hard enough, my depre…

As someone with clinical depression, I don't agree with you at all here. (I am tempted to say "Utter crap," but apparently your harshness prompted the other guy to delete his comment.)

How you deal with your circumstances absolutely can cause clinical depression.

Clinical depression can be a brain problem or a mind problem.

It can be faulty hardware or it can be operator error (mistake).

I know it can be a mind problem from experience, and I know it can be a brain problem because any physical system can break down and malfunction.

You are saying something here that isn't true, and it's something that can potentially be very damaging to people (unlike saying something untrue about many things).

Re: Depression's Upside (2010)

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I've just started CBT to hopefully fix my broken spirit, the article nailed my symptoms. I'm not sure my staying indoors in a darkened room and sighing a lot is helping me to focus on anything though.

Get out into the sun. I don't know why, but something about about getting a minimum amount of sunlight (hour?) every day improves my mood immensely throughout the rest of the day. The Seasonal Affective Disorder is real

So is vitamin D deficiency. Get some sun (or pills)!

Re: Depression's Upside (2010)

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Okay, we know that CBT works for depression, yeah? CBT postulates that your thoughts cause your emotions. Part of the therapy is identifying and refuting negative thoughts like, "You're worthless!" Well, if other people are telling you that you're worthless, in one way or another, then it has the same effect. It doesn't matter how much CBT you do, if everyone is around you is telling you that you're worthless, you're…

Your own thoughts and other people's communication do not have the same effect in the context you're describing. You could agree or disagree with what other people say (or whether it matters), for one, while the unreasonable thoughts and irrational thought patterns associated with depression is part of your own perspective in this case. These negative thoughts are identified by and refuted because of the fact that th…

http://www.google.com/search?q=environmental+factors+depress...

Re: Depression's Upside (2010)

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In the US, a surprisingly easy way to inadvertently cause mild depression is to decrease intake of iodized salt over time. The "natural" iodine content of many foods (bread, milk) seems to be dropping steadily due to organic and other preparation practices. Kelp-extract supplements with around 200mcg of iodine daily can go a long way towards preventing mild depression associated with borderline iodine deficiency.

The problem with the idea of using supplements to solve depression is it's a bit like fine-tuning the octane of gasoline in a car to solve a bad air-fuel mixture. You could potentially make the engine run a little better, but it doesn't solve the underlying problem, which is usually emotional trauma. Developing coping mechanisms is a much better approach, also coming to acceptance (reducing resistance) about things t…

> the underlying problem, which is usually emotional trauma

This is untrue. The emotional trauma hypothesis is thoroughly debunked and has been for very many years. The vast majority of people with depression do not have any emotional trauma.

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The problem with the idea of using supplements to solve depression is it's a bit like fine-tuning the octane of gasoline in a car to solve a bad air-fuel mixture. You could potentially make the engine run a little better, but it doesn't solve the underlying problem, which is usually emotional trauma. Developing coping mechanisms is a much better approach, also coming to acceptance (reducing resistance) about things t…

> the underlying problem, which is usually emotional trauma This is untrue. The emotional trauma hypothesis is thoroughly debunked and has been for very many years. The vast majority of people with depression do not have any emotional trauma.

If you attempt to reduce an extremely complex system of incidental traumas, re-enforcements, psycho-social effects and a multitude of many other factors down to "there was a death in the family" or "my father hit me once" then I would totally agree with you, that has been thoroughly debunked. There are healthy people whose fathers hit them, or have had deaths in their families, this is absolutely true. However, you do your mind (and yourself, obviously) an extreme disservice if you think of its mechanics in such simple terms (especially if you suffer from depression.)

It's like troubleshooting a computer by attempting to discern its vague history and comparing it to other computers, and then deciding that it's a hardware problem because some computers have similar software and function okay. Any computer technician can tell you that modern PCs are way too complex to repair using such simple logic (unless you just start formatting drives.) Now, there may indeed be a hardware problem, but you can't discount the OS based on a three-point checklist.

I grew up in a family with an extremely negative view of people who had mental health problems, and when I came down with depression I ran to fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, etc. because I didn't want to be "crazy". But all I did was set myself up for worse problems down the road when that rationalisation wore thin. Now, I'm not saying that taking an emotion-centred approach will solve all of your problems and make your depression go away -- it probably won't. But it will help you cope. Numerous studies show that it helps people cope. How could that be, if your thoughts didn't matter?

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> My own theory of depression is that it is your brain's way of getting you to change something in your life that is counterproductive to your future wellbeing. Sometimes it isn't entirely obvious what exactly is causing the depression, but if you evaluate all aspects of your life and ask yourself "is this what I really want?", you will eventually figure it out. Utter crap. If I thought long and hard enough, my depre…

As someone with clinical depression, I don't agree with you at all here. (I am tempted to say "Utter crap," but apparently your harshness prompted the other guy to delete his comment.) How you deal with your circumstances absolutely can cause clinical depression. Clinical depression can be a brain problem or a mind problem. It can be faulty hardware or it can be operator error (mistake). I know it can be a mind probl…

Thank you for distilling my verbosity down to something a bit more understandable =)

Re: Depression's Upside (2010)

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I've just started CBT to hopefully fix my broken spirit, the article nailed my symptoms. I'm not sure my staying indoors in a darkened room and sighing a lot is helping me to focus on anything though.

I don't like to think about the spirit/mind/brain being "broken" in case of depression. Depression causes problems, but often the only way to get rid of the cause is to alleviate the problems.

Everybody, including those described to be mentally healthy, can and should improve and evolve their mind, and CBT can be effective for that.

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