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Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Every time I see this accusation against 3rd wave feminism, I realize the poster has no idea what 3rd wave feminism is. 2nd wave is the one which frightened insecure men, and had some strong anti porn and anti sex messages from a few proponents. 3rd wave, in short, is why don't we all get along, sex is awesome, and if we help men with some of their problems with toxic masculinity, then everyone is better off. edit: H…

yeah all that needs to happen is men need to be fixed for women to be happy. it works for dating, why wouldn't it work for society?

I'm hoping this was voted down for the snark, because if you disagree with the point, you are really lacking in an understanding of how humans actually work

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This article dramatically understates the magnitude of the shitstorm that is currently unfolding. Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/all/ if you feel like seeing all the ugliness. (And if anyone has any doubts that this is ultimately about harassment, count how many of the posts on the front page (and their comments) are made up of personal attacks and/or obscenities targeted at CEO Ellen Pao.) I don't fault the Reddi…

Here's /r/all as of about a half hour ago. Not cool. http://imgur.com/a/5KMCS#0

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When you claim that an extreme emphasis on free speech originates from people who secretly wish to silence others, you might be inadvertently revealing something about yourself :-) My idea of free speech is that large privately-owned communication networks shouldn't engage in censorship, just like the government. If you disagree with that, say goodbye to free speech on the internet, because most of it is privately ow…

First they came for /r/ShitNiggersSay, and I did not speak out--Because I was not an asshole. [...] Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me. I feel like you're skipping over a lot of slippery slope in the middle there.

If the overarching goal is to create a "safe space" and one of the tenets of that safety is "i do not have to be exposed to opinions and actions that offend me" then the slope is well greased.

I'm not saying that is explicitly the case for reddit, but there are a number of internet communities who work from that definition.

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This article dramatically understates the magnitude of the shitstorm that is currently unfolding. Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/all/ if you feel like seeing all the ugliness. (And if anyone has any doubts that this is ultimately about harassment, count how many of the posts on the front page (and their comments) are made up of personal attacks and/or obscenities targeted at CEO Ellen Pao.) I don't fault the Reddi…

Can someone explain how and/or why so many people have come to believe that freedom of speech obligates others to provide an arena for them to spread their opinions? I see mentions of thought-policing etc., but that's really wholly different from censorship and moderation.

Nobody does, but up until now the reddit admins have been very supportive of the idea that they are a home for any content that isn't illegal. Former CEO of reddit, Yishan Wong: "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19975375

This is an obvious departure from this ideal.

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> Most of 4chan left in response. Many alternative chan sites were started, including 8ch.net. A very small fraction of the worst bored on a bad website left to join an even worse website. Don't kid yourself.

I keep hearing this from that group. GamerGate seems to think that they are the majority of users on any given site. They're convinced that Twitter is going to fail if they leave. It's pretty amazing how much they misunderstand the scale of any large social platform.

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This is probably the best illustration of the 'no broken windows' theory at work on the web. You can start a new community and keep it 'clean' from day one, but you can't let your community turn into a cesspool and then one day decide to clean it up, the inmates will be able to achieve critical mass and they'll happily burn down the asylum if they can't have their cesspool back. What I really don't get is that they c…

> What I really don't get is that they choose these 5 subreddits to ban, reddit has at least 50 (and probably more) subreddits that are arguably a lot more offensive than the ones they just blocked. I think this is the key thing that's really got everyone all in a tizzy. There are a pile of subreddits that the vast majority of Reddit users would like to see gone: topics that aren't just politically divisive, but are…

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I'm speculating but it seems like an easy outlet for that "being offensive for its own sake" mindset you see sometimes in kids and young adults. I think it's part of growing up... It just happens that the Internet allows people to focus and concentrate that negative energy.

While that's likely part of it, that's not the entirety of things. To be fair, I would wager that fatpeoplehate had its share of trolls, but I would definitely believe that the vast majority of its denizens were former fat people, and very frustrated at the obesity epidemic in the United States. Frustration leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. You know the rest. I speak here from some experience. Several members of m…

And so that justifies using verbal assaults on people with obesity? You realize that in terms of treatment for obesity having something call you a hambeast or worse isn't exactly encouraging. In fact, studies have shown this just makes a person eat more (thus get fatter). So, if you think the tough love nonsense works, then think again.

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Can someone explain how and/or why so many people have come to believe that freedom of speech obligates others to provide an arena for them to spread their opinions? I see mentions of thought-policing etc., but that's really wholly different from censorship and moderation.

Nobody does, but up until now the reddit admins have been very supportive of the idea that they are a home for any content that isn't illegal. Former CEO of reddit, Yishan Wong: "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19975375 This is an obvious de…

Thanks! I've seen loads of people espouse this belief though, and the current top comment [0] here links to a thread [1] that runs with the premise. A quick search of the site reveals that there are many more.

I understand that point of view and agree with the need for those kinds of arenas. But even the article you link to state that doxxing and harassment goes against the TOS, which seems to be precisely what started this whole mess, from what I've gathered. Or at least that's what the official announcement [2] and /r/OutOfTheLoop [3] threads state.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9697285

[1]: http://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/39c58h/could_so...

[2]: http://np.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removin...

[3]: http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/39bzdf/why_was...

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It seems like this is something that should only have to be done once, though. Ideally: imagine that the government of each state/country—who already have to work out how to deduplicate people for purposes of taxation, Social Security, etc.—acts as an OAuth identity provider. Then doing KYC becomes as simple as having a signup process that requires an OAuth login, and having a whitelist of identity providers you'll a…

Great! Now the federal government is involved too :D I'm not sure this is a service I want the feds to provide. All I mean is that your application (e-mail req for a ship) is processed by a human, and there's incentive to keep it that way (because there are objectively not enough 32-bit numbers for everyone to get their own.) If you don't have one, you can still get on the network, you just have a 128-bit identity. I…

Theoretically, a company in each country could do the same thing. You wouldn't want multiple competing companies in a country with overlapping databases, though, because it'd be way easier to just use your other-company identity to get a duplicate account. (It'd be like using your Facebook account to register once and then your Google account to register again.)

And because of that, any company that did this would have a sort of natural monopoly. So the respective government would have to at least regulate them a bit to avoid them exploiting their users. A "crown corporation", in the British terminology. (In British Columbia we have ICBC, a crown-corporation insurance company, as the issuer of physical ID, which works well enough.)

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> Most of 4chan left in response. Many alternative chan sites were started, including 8ch.net. A very small fraction of the worst bored on a bad website left to join an even worse website. Don't kid yourself.

I keep hearing this from that group. GamerGate seems to think that they are the majority of users on any given site. They're convinced that Twitter is going to fail if they leave. It's pretty amazing how much they misunderstand the scale of any large social platform.

Where do you keep hearing that? I don't religiously follow GamerGate, but I am subscribed to /r/KotakuInAction and that particular community holds no such opinion of themselves.
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