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Some observations... I just finished Fareed Zakaria's " In Defense of a Liberal Education "[1] and while he makes a passionate argument, the capital markets overwhelmingly disagrees with him. VC's (even those VC's not specializing in Silicon Valley tech) value makers, builders, engineers over experts in English/Art/History/Philosophy. If liberal arts education was on equal footing as STEM, there wouldn't be the jokes…

I don't prefer dropouts or degree holders or the other. I would say I'm mostly agnostic to it. Having interviewed hundreds of candidates throughout my career I have found little correlation between a college degree and someone's ability to program. I have noticed that the college grads know a little more of the abstract computer science but it usually doesn't matter unless they are a candidate that will be involved with system architecture issues. For that level I would want to see a CS background but not necessarily a CS degree. I would be perfectly willing to accept someone self-taught if they had the requisite knowledge and skills.

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My first job straight out of high school at age 18 was working on the development tools for embedded microprocessors. I was self-taught and already knew C and Assembly. There was some serious doubt from some of them about hiring me but I was able to pass every technical test they threw my way so they eventually hired me.

I did have some resistance in the beginning (that was back in 1998) at other companies as well but now nobody even asks me about my education and I don't have any mention of it on my resume.

I did spent almost 2 years in college but it was mostly taking fun classes like singing, dance, and music. The CS classes seemed pointless to me since I already knew the material. I didn't even get an associate's and decided to drop out.

I decided, why should I pay money for something that I already know and if I don't know it I can buy a book for 1/100th of the price. Now it is even easier with the amount of free CS education available online. The few CS classes I did take were so easy they were a waste of time.

I did miss out on the whole college experience I guess but I more than made up for it when I spent about 5 years when I quit tech and started doing photography. I was basically traveling the world, doing photo shoots with models, and even got a job at a modeling agency in LA. Fun times and a way better experience I'm sure I would have had in college.

With the cost of a CS degree now it doesn't seem like it makes financial sense. You are losing 4 years you can be working in the work place and incurring a huge debt. Compare that to starting working earlier at a slightly lower salary. Within 4 years of experience you will be pretty close to the same salary and you will have no debt and money saved up that you could have invested. That's a HUGE opportunity cost.

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“It’s almost a bigger risk to stay in school and let people like me drop out and start things before you have a chance,” he says. That says it all, for me. It's an incredibly shortsighted view that there are real opportunity costs to time spend in college, as if you'll only have one good idea in your lifetime. It's kind of a lottery ticket mindset. College is absolutely a luxury good, and you can get by without it. B…

> I had a job in tech for a few years out of high school before I went to college. Can you speak about what your experience was like? I'm currently working as a backend developer in new york and I'm planning on starting a CS degree at CUNY Hunter this fall, so I'm curious to hear about other people's experiences with working and going to school at the same time.

I had my first job at 18 working on the development tools for embedded microprocessors. I was working about 30 hours a week and going to a local community college for about 20 hours a week. It was a good experience. Ultimately I dropped out because it didn't seem like I was learning much (I was already doing C and assembly language programming, and even training other programmers at my job) and it was too expensive (that was back in 2000, it's even worse now). I have no regrets about not getting a degree.

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During the dot.com bubble I interviewed a number of people who had dropped out of college to jump into work. In general they did not have any trouble finding work. However when the bubble burst and the job market crashed dramatically, those same people were unreasonably discriminated against as there were plenty of 'degreed' people to fill positions so the folks without at least a bachelors degree were having a hard…

I had that experience at large companies but I notice startups nowadays don't seem to care all that much. Maybe it's because I have a lot of experience now though. I don't even list my education on my resume and I haven't been asked the last 3 companies I have worked at.

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It doesn't seem surprising these kids are doing well--they're already top students, money's no worry, and they're hooked into the a successful social network. However, these ~100 examples don't characterize college dropouts. There are roughly 30 million total dropouts, and most of them are unemployed and poor:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/03/the-myth...

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Three spring to mind: Michael Dell, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates

An article by Bill Gates about dropping out:

http://www.gatesnotes.com/Education/11-Million-College-Grads

"Although I dropped out of college and got lucky pursuing a career in software, getting a degree is a much surer path to success"

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The article focuses on kids who drop out of college to start businesses. That's great but there are ways to succeed in tech without trying to build the next InstaBookSpaceGram. I'm a college dropout who I guess you could say is thriving in tech but I didn't start a business and don't have much of an entrepreneurial spirit. A little about me: I wrote my first line of code when i was 12 (perl) and went on to dabble in…

Heh, Solver...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I had a job in tech for a few years out of high school before I went to college. Can you speak about what your experience was like? I'm currently working as a backend developer in new york and I'm planning on starting a CS degree at CUNY Hunter this fall, so I'm curious to hear about other people's experiences with working and going to school at the same time.

I had my first job at 18 working on the development tools for embedded microprocessors. I was working about 30 hours a week and going to a local community college for about 20 hours a week. It was a good experience. Ultimately I dropped out because it didn't seem like I was learning much (I was already doing C and assembly language programming, and even training other programmers at my job) and it was too expensive (…

The difference is that I can't actually code in C and assembly and my knowledge of a lot of lower level topics is sparse. Sure I can sling Python/Go, but I feel like my understanding of topics like networking, compilers, or even algorithmic analysis is sorely lacking. And I'm not disciplined enough to learn from a book
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