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Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Apple collects tons of user data, and I'm sure they use some of it to provide machine-learning backed services, and I'm sure they'll come out with much nicer products to compete with Google in the future, also enhanced by machine learning techniques. The difference that Tim Cook wants you to believe in is that Apple doesn't directly make money from your data, they just use it to improve their product; alternatively,…

> Apple doesn't directly make money from your data, they just use it to improve their product Apple improves their products for several reasons, but as a for-profit business the main reason they would use some of their limited capital to "improve their product" would be to make money . The details about how a business exploits user data is not that interesting. Arguments about this kind of minutia are a distraction a…

The third party surveillance issue is certainly one that needs more attention and consideration.

Not on a social networking site? Don't worry, they probably know a significant amount about you anyway, just from friends who have given the social network the entire address book from their phone and a few photos with you in them.

Decided not to use Google because you're not sure about how much data they collect these days? Don't worry, they probably have a significant proportion of all the e-mails you ever send from one of the other parties anyway, and you have no reliable way to determine when this is happening or to avoid participating.

And of course there are the numerous third party widgets that not only make the modern web a slower, sometimes malware-ridden, often ad-ridden mess, they also follow those not technically skilled enough to protect themselves around. Don't worry, they promise they won't tell your health insurer about the medical conditions you were looking up. No, wait, they didn't.

Now we have the kinds of technologies mentioned in the parent post, with smartphones and headsets and home automation systems that have sensors and network connections being placed just about everywhere, and we really are starting to live in a society with permanent surveillance.

In many ways, these kinds of issues are much harder to address than the already difficult questions of how to control first party data collection. Most of them by their nature operate in the background where a lot of people will never even know they are there, and even those who do may or may not be able to do much about it.

Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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I do pay for email, cloud storage and browser. There's a strong argument my personal information should not be harvested by the folks I paid. But paying for things is entirely unrelated to the government having access to your data. The govt can require a company to collect personal information that passes through their hands, even if they weren't collecting it for business purposes.

How do you pay for the browser? Are you talking about Safari and the fact that buying Apple hardware has subsidised the Safari development to some extent?

Comes with the OS installations which I pay for.

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Making a speech is easy, compared to actually doing the right thing. Just a month ago, I was asked by an employee of an Apple Certified Service Provider to decrypt my hard drive in order for Apple to make a "hardware test". There was an issue with my display, but they insisted that Apple's hardware test needed to have access to the data on my hard drive and send information back to Apple via the Internet. What about…

If Cook is serious, the message will have to trickle down to the people who make these processes to be sensitive to privacy needs. It takes some commitment.

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Apple collects tons of user data, and I'm sure they use some of it to provide machine-learning backed services, and I'm sure they'll come out with much nicer products to compete with Google in the future, also enhanced by machine learning techniques. The difference that Tim Cook wants you to believe in is that Apple doesn't directly make money from your data, they just use it to improve their product; alternatively,…

Agree 100%.

Essentially Tim Cook said: "Apple is a good girl (we do the same things that bad girls do but better)"

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Sure. Make up a name and address and load it with gift cards bought with cash. Done.

Buying gift cards for cash is too insecure. But I do see https://giftoff.com/gift-cards/apple-store for buying Apple Store gift cards with Bitcoins. I'll give it a go. Edit: It seems legitimate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970780.0

I don't see how buying gift cards for cash in person is less secure than buying something online for bitcoin. Cash would seem the least identifying and/or trackable way of purchasing gift cards.

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In addition to the comments already here, I think this comes down to trust. Which companies do you trust? Which CEOs do you trust?

Eric Schmidt: "If You Have Something You Don't Want Anyone To Know, Maybe You Shouldn't Be Doing It." [1]

Mark Zuckerburg: "They trust me — dumb fucks." [2]

Tim Cook: "I’m speaking to you from Silicon Valley, where some of the most prominent and successful companies have built their businesses by lulling their customers into complacency about their personal information,” said Cook. “They’re gobbling up everything they can learn about you and trying to monetize it. We think that’s wrong. And it’s not the kind of company that Apple wants to be." [3]

Tim Cook: "Our business is based on selling products, not on having information about you. You are not our product." [4]

Tim Cook: "We take a very different view of this than a lot of other companies have. Our view is, when we design a new service, we try not to collect data" [5]

[1] https://youtu.be/A6e7wfDHzew

[2] http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-use...

[3] http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/02/apples-tim-cook-delivers-bl...

[4] http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/15/tim-cook-on-privacy/

[5] http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/15/tim-cook-holds-firm-on-imes...

Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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At the moment, this thread seems more like a YouTube comment section than a HN one. Though it's not exactly surprising given that Tim Cook's speech is obviously aimed at Google/FB. Let's start with the facts. Apple makes its major money in hardware. Google makes its major money in search. Obviously, iOS has to be able to compete with Android in order for iPhones to sell well. Google offers services like Google Now an…

The problem is that Duck Duck go doesn't provide as good results, because it lacks the personalized data. Google knows that when I search for Django I want the web framework. Duck duck go gives me that as well as many links to the film. I think option 1 is more likely for Apple.

Is it really so much harder to search for "django framework" instead of "django unchained" or "django guitar"? When you type in "django", DDG will suggest some searches to autocomplete as well. Is the performance benefit of personalized searches really worth it, compared to refining your search technique in small ways?

Personally I prefer DDG simply because the bang codes are so convenient.

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> "There's only one way to be safe. And that's to collect only minimal amounts of data for minimal apps." No. The only way to be really safe is to go live in a cave, not to have any friends and never go anywhere near any tech ever again. I'm sure you can tell that I don't consider that to be much of an option. It's unhelpful to label 'data collection' as the source of the problem as 'collection' happens everywhere in…

My thoughts are basically: + "Run your own infrastructure" is currently a pipe dream for what is 99.9% of people. + Companies selling data when they go bankrupt or M&As changing the nature of what they do with the collection happens regularly. + Discussing ownership is fairly simple as well, "Does the company already have your data?" + Any business not based around profiling has a additional options to make more mone…

> + "Run your own infrastructure" is currently a pipe dream for what is 99.9% of people.

Or not even a dream, because those 99.9% prefer not to run their own infrastructure even if it's easy and cheap.

However, "local apps" (ones which don't require infrastructure) could be appealing if they could achieve parity with the enormous-backend apps.

Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Apple collects tons of user data, and I'm sure they use some of it to provide machine-learning backed services, and I'm sure they'll come out with much nicer products to compete with Google in the future, also enhanced by machine learning techniques. The difference that Tim Cook wants you to believe in is that Apple doesn't directly make money from your data, they just use it to improve their product; alternatively,…

It feels like the same underlining luxery branding of Apple products. Those guys are tacky and cheap, we are HBO. Apple doesn't even own a TV, they go to the art house theater...

With the car industry about do become part of the ecosystem it makes sense. Get in a Google Taxi and you'll have to watch targeted ads the whole way there. Get in an Apple Taxi and listen to classical music.

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