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Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Post by rimantas »

zak_mc_kracken wrote: post #59
[deleted] wrote: post #41

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As magicalist points out in his response, you are taking Schmidt's quote completely out of context. Don't feel bad, you're not the only one. Schmidt (and Google) are extremely pro-privacy and against sharing information with the government. Google must have like ten lawsuits going on at all times on the entire planet trying to fight intrusive data request from governments. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars e…

Is Google Now open source? Google search? Google ads?

Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Post by mirimir »

corv wrote: post #112
endgame wrote: post #71

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I was shocked at the amount of registration info a new mac asks for. Haven't bought one since.

You can skip it

Can one buy Apple products for cash, without supplying any personal information or identication?

Edit: This is a prerequisite for meaningful privacy. Plus having a pseudonymous account, funded by Bitcoins, for buying apps and stuff. Otherwise it's all based on trusting Apple, and so there's a single point of failure.

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Post by fpgeek »

tolmasky wrote: post #118
threeseed wrote: post #109

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1. iMessages is not dead simple. Not sure if you've ever worked on highly concurrent, real time systems but they are never as trivial as it seems to the lay outsider. And whilst I can't comment on it getting messages out of order (never happened to anyone I know) it isn't widespread based on media reports. 2. Not sure why you are comparing App Store with Amazon when Apple has an equivalent: the Apple Online Store. It…

1. Here you go, first result from Google search: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4408578?start=0&tstart=... . Problem starts in 2012, still going end of 2014. 50,000 views. My current issue with iMessages is the completely random behavior of whether my computer or phone will get the message. Before iMessage it was pretty deterministic, now its like a game! The frequent solution is to text my iMessage email AND p…

> if every time Amazon added a new major product they took the ENTIRE STORE DOWN FOR HOURS.

In that case, would Amazon ever be up?

Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Post by microtonal »

dba7dba wrote: post #96
callil wrote: post #85

They are setting the stage for announcing the launch of their google now compete which they will sell as more secure and private (no selling your info for ads!) [0] This is all part of their marketing campaign. [0] http://9to5mac.com/2015/05/27/apples-proactive-to-take-on-go...

I agree. Don't mean to be cynical but every public speech given by Tim Cook (and everyone else of high profile) is about setting the stage for something. Aka posturing. They have too much money, control, brand, power at stake. And this isn't much different from Google blasting Apple for selling products assembled in sweatshops (not that google does that)...

I agree. Don't mean to be cynical but every public speech given by Tim Cook (and everyone else of high profile) is about setting the stage for something.

Apple is in the fortunate position that most of their profits come from hardware. With Snowden's publications, the security/privacy advantage is practically thrown in their lap. So, why not run with it? We customers only benefit (not only Apple customers, because this will put pressure on others).

As a side node, given Cook's sexual orientation, I am sure that this is an important issue for him personally as well. There are many countries where you can't be gay openly (yet), and digital privacy is a tiny part of the puzzle of protecting people in countries with less liberal laws.

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Post by onion2k »

callil wrote: post #85

They are setting the stage for announcing the launch of their google now compete which they will sell as more secure and private (no selling your info for ads!) [0] This is all part of their marketing campaign. [0] http://9to5mac.com/2015/05/27/apples-proactive-to-take-on-go...

I'm not sure it'd be possible to make a good competitor to Now without tracking what someone does all around the web. That's sort of the point of it - the more it knows the better it works.

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Post by SG- »

It's too bad the debate here has turned into a huge Apple vs Google thing when it's really a story about not letting the government strip away people's privacy and ability to properly encrypt their data.

Like really, we get it you might not like iOS or OSX, but it's not about that right now.

Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Post by peteretep »

mirimir wrote: post #122
corv wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can skip it

Can one buy Apple products for cash, without supplying any personal information or identication? Edit: This is a prerequisite for meaningful privacy. Plus having a pseudonymous account, funded by Bitcoins, for buying apps and stuff. Otherwise it's all based on trusting Apple, and so there's a single point of failure.

Yes; even if that's not true for Apple stores, plenty of resellers.

Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy

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Post by near »

hackuser wrote: post #53

I'm repeating myself (from other threads) but Mozilla should use this sales pitch. Very few users can evaluate business' privacy practices; they only can trust the business. Due to their non-profit, public good status, their mission, and their track record, nobody could compete with Mozilla on trust. EDIT: I'll add: Certainly the other two leading browser makers couldn't compete, and in mobile platforms only Apple, i…

Does Mozilla's track record include their suggested advertising tiles on your newtab page, based off your browsing history? Or their defaulting to Yahoo to send your searches because they were the highest bidder?

Now yes, they say the tiles are based on your local history and not transmitted anywhere; so it's not as bad (I don't care if other people don't see it, I don't want my data mined even locally for the purpose of showing me ads); but it's pretty clear that Mozilla is a business that wants to earn money. And as the saying goes, "if you're not paying for it, you're not the customer -- you're the product."

But you're right about one thing: they're probably the least bad of all the browser manufacturers on all this. Maybe what we need is a crowdfunded browser, where the company listens to their users and has no conflicts of interest.

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Post by randomsearch »

msoad wrote: post #5

Software is eating everything, including hardware. If Apple is not capable of doing good software it's doomed. It appears to me that Apple is giving up on software. By software I mean the code that recognize things in my photos in Google Photos or the software that sort the items in my Facebook News Feed. Apple is incapable of doing software like that. At least today. So what they're doing is bashing those who actual…

> Software is eating everything, including hardware. If Apple is not capable of doing good software it's doomed.

What? Apple makes nearly all its money from hardware, and it is selling more and more.

Software is a key part of their product, sure, and they seem to be doing ok there, but software usually runs on a hardware platform, which someone has to make.

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