Apple collects data deceptively don't they[0]? Seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
But it's still mostly bullshit, though, especially coming from a company using closed source software for most of its products. Nobody can really tell what they are collecting, what they do with it and how much of it they share with third parties (including governments). If you google a bit, I bet you will find similar speeches from every single big company CEO these past years: "Privacy is our number one priority, b…
I was shocked at the amount of registration info a new mac asks for. Haven't bought one since.
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#113> Cook went on to state, as he has before when talking about products like Apple Pay, that Apple ‘doesn’t want your data.’ I was actually somewhat disappointed by the Apple Pay approach (and that Android Pay is going to follow suit). I'd actually much rather have Apple or Google as an intermediary and give the credit card issuer no information about my transaction. It may seem nice to say that your phone OS sees no d…
Yea, that'd seem preferable but who would be on the hook for fraud/chargebacks etc? I don't see Apple or Google wanting to be in that game and I don't see consumers wanting to lose those protections.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple has a vested interest in not collecting, analysing Do you seriously believe that? They are doing this non stop. Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet, even though I've repeatedly declined to provide it. They are collecting and analysing PII data all the time. They need it because it's an arms' race. They will only stop if compelled to do so by gov…
> Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet It sounds like you have Settings -> iCloud -> Backup -> iCloud Backup turned on. > They are collecting and analysing PII data all the time. What sort of evidence do you have to support this?
How about Apple has admitting they do exactly that?
http://www.imore.com/yosemite-ios-8-spotlight-and-privacy-wh...
Yes, they say they properly anonymize and location-scrub this personal information before they store, aggregate and analyze it (and I have no reason to doubt that they're doing that, at least for their own use), but they are clearly collecting it. And if you're going to talk about things like vulnerability to government surveillance, just collecting it in the first place is more than enough to open that door.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not disputing that people may get value from advertising but (a) it is not the reason people use the service and (b) it is not even close to being a popular feature of the service. And giving data costs you when something goes wrong. Dealing with identity theft, stolen credit cards etc is not fun a experience to deal with.
How, exactly, has Google's collection of personal information contributed to identity theft? I suppose, on paper, you're more vulnerable to Google employees or contractors using internal access to steal identities, but is that a problem in practice (if so, I'd love pointers)? Or are Google's internal security measures and controls effective in preventing it? Meanwhile, Google's done more than most companies to protec…
I think you completely misread what I said.
The downside of a company collecting data is the risk of what happens if that data leaks. There was an example of a very popular site here in Australia being hacked 3 years ago that only just notifed customers (of which I was one). Credit card numbers and other PII data was stolen. I had to dig through credit card transaction list and there is still the ongoing concern of identity theft.
The risk of Google, Facebook being hacked is small but that is the risk of handing over your data. Most people including myself are happy to take that risk but not everyone is.
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#116“I’m speaking to you from Silicon Valley, where some of the most prominent and successful companies have built their businesses by lulling their customers into complacency about their personal information,” “They’re gobbling up everything they can learn about you and trying to monetize it. We think that’s wrong. And it’s not the kind of company that Apple wants to be.” This is a great strategy to win the hearts and m…
> “I’m speaking to you from Silicon Valley, where some of the most prominent and successful companies have built their businesses by lulling their customers into complacency about their personal information,” That is just really , really , REALLY RICH, coming from the company who's behind this kind of shit: http://i.imgur.com/1lGp7ps.jpg Yep, to turn off ad-tracking, you have to go to... Settings... then 'General'...…
That feature is there to let you improve your privacy, not to trick you in to taking it away.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/13/apple_adds_new_lim...
The problem is legacy, a bunch of stuff was probably going to break if they just enabled that en-mass.
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#117This is marketing folks. Apple's behavior towards Google changed dramatically after Android starting getting traction, and this sudden pivot towards pro-privacy is an Apple's attempt to damage the reputation of it's biggest competitor. Apple hasn't been consistently speaking with the same voice on privacy, both before or after Snowden, and Tim Cook's comments IMHO look cynically designed. Apple collects plenty of per…
Thank you.
Even Microsoft started to fund "Scroogle" ads - while themselves being a similar offender.
The point is that Apple is compelled to hand over your data and backdoor their services just like every other company. The Third Party Doctrine, section 702 of FISA, tap and trace laws, Stored Communications Act, CALEA and numerous other provisions are requirements for Apple to follow - just like every other business.
The only thing Apple can do is not voluntarily give extra information (it's true that many large companies do this).
Apple's "vault" technology doesn't mean anything if the key space provided by the user is 15 bits and the rest is located in some hardware manufacturer that keeps a list of keys that are available to request.
No business is your friend. Every business, by law, has to maximize the profit it can extract from you in return for handing the minimum over. A healthy market will a lot of competition can increase the minimum and lower the maximum, but the relationship stays the same. The rest is branding and marketing. That's not to say that you can't benefit from making trades - it just means that care need be your first priority, and the first part of that is understanding your and Apple's incentives.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
You just listed a bunch of broken products that do nothing but make me skeptical of apple even being able to properly store my data, let alone analyze it. imessages is notorious for not even being able to deliver messages in order many times. It is easily apples worst service, and should be brain dead simple. App Store is s bare minimum store that's only real change since its inception was just now supporting videos…
1. iMessages is not dead simple. Not sure if you've ever worked on highly concurrent, real time systems but they are never as trivial as it seems to the lay outsider. And whilst I can't comment on it getting messages out of order (never happened to anyone I know) it isn't widespread based on media reports. 2. Not sure why you are comparing App Store with Amazon when Apple has an equivalent: the Apple Online Store. It…
1. Here you go, first result from Google search: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4408578?start=0&tstart=.... Problem starts in 2012, still going end of 2014. 50,000 views. My current issue with iMessages is the completely random behavior of whether my computer or phone will get the message. Before iMessage it was pretty deterministic, now its like a game! The frequent solution is to text my iMessage email AND phone number, so then I'm in a group message with myself.
Its dead simple because other services seem to have figured this out. Twitter does actual real time systems, and its not 1-to-1. Slack meanwhile seems to have no trouble delivering me messages. iMessage however is the outlier here, maybe because they don't live and die on this system like the others I mentioned. If you're going to make a new system to replace the old one (text messages), make sure it works first.
2. The comparison is because it is a strictly easier problem and they still do strictly worse. If you want to compare Apple Online Store to Amazon Online Store, the report card is equally bad: imagine if every time Amazon added a new major product they took the ENTIRE STORE DOWN FOR HOURS.
3. It seems to me that iCloud is the thing that is more like "just a drive". Google has Photos, Calendars, and email too, so I'm not sure what you're referring to with all this Google comparison. 5GB is kind of nothing when we start talking photos and email, and Google actually does cool stuff with my Photos, and Dropbox still hilariously feels more integrated with the OS than iCloud, not to mention having integration with other services.
The truth of the matter is that they do bare minimum on all their services, which is FINE btw -- just absurd to claim they have any special competence in the area. Nothing about their services stands out, with each one its literally one step above nothing which would be unacceptable. With email they NEED some basic email to give you with your devices. With the App Store they NEED some way for you to get apps. With the online store they NEED some way for you to order products.
Now compare Apple to Apple (ha): look at their absolutely, everyone agrees, stellar physical stores. Thats something to write home about. Look at their amazing supply chain where they can replace or fix a phone in hours -- truly surprising every time I go in. This is something they have clear core competency in.
Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy
#119This is marketing folks. Apple's behavior towards Google changed dramatically after Android starting getting traction, and this sudden pivot towards pro-privacy is an Apple's attempt to damage the reputation of it's biggest competitor. Apple hasn't been consistently speaking with the same voice on privacy, both before or after Snowden, and Tim Cook's comments IMHO look cynically designed. Apple collects plenty of per…
It seemed to me Mr. Cook's statements could be in reaction to Google's strategy with their Now service http://www.wired.com/2015/05/google-now-io/
I don't know that Siri can compete with that. An obvious way to counter is to raise privacy concerns, and of course downplay or negate any benefits.
Re: Apple’s Tim Cook Delivers Blistering Speech on Encryption, Privacy
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
You just listed a bunch of broken products that do nothing but make me skeptical of apple even being able to properly store my data, let alone analyze it. imessages is notorious for not even being able to deliver messages in order many times. It is easily apples worst service, and should be brain dead simple. App Store is s bare minimum store that's only real change since its inception was just now supporting videos…
1. iMessages is not dead simple. Not sure if you've ever worked on highly concurrent, real time systems but they are never as trivial as it seems to the lay outsider. And whilst I can't comment on it getting messages out of order (never happened to anyone I know) it isn't widespread based on media reports. 2. Not sure why you are comparing App Store with Amazon when Apple has an equivalent: the Apple Online Store. It…
> 2. Not sure why you are comparing App Store with Amazon when Apple has an equivalent: the Apple Online Store. It does have physical products and has to deal with figuring out shipping across multiple regions. It's actually comparable to Amazon since they both use the microtransactions approach to billing.
Are you serious? The idea that Apple's online store is even vaguely comparable to Amazon in terms of complexity is just laughable. To start with, Amazon sells essentially everything Apple's store does - plus millions of other products too. And unlike Apple, they're tracking a wide variety of promotions and offers over those millions of products. Then we can talk about all the third-party providers that also sell via Amazon. And how many orders of magnitude more difficult Amazon's search problem is. Not to mention Amazon's recommendation engine. Or the order of magnitude more online users and transactions (Apple's user base is in the same ballpark, but how many of them buy online vs in-store or via a retailer or carrier?). And on and on.