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Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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South Korea is much better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/opinion/south-koreas-invas... http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/apps-that-monitor-kids-sma... etc

I think most folks would take South Korea's internet censorship and surveillance over North Korea's "three generations of your family go to labor camps to die" approach.

Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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South Korea is much better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/opinion/south-koreas-invas... http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/apps-that-monitor-kids-sma... etc

South Korea is MUCH better. No comparison. At least kids have smartphones.

Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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I'm Czech and I can attest to something similar in my country with its measly 10 million people. There's a Bohemian and a Moravian/Silesian dialect. Bohemia is part of the country where Prague is and with that dialect, you can fare very well all over the country. You'll stick out, and sound downright silly in the depths of Moravia, but you'll be fine. I can't ever remember not being able to understand a Bohemian simp…

This reminds me of the Scottish english accent. It's pretty cool sounding (to my west-coast US ears), but a thick Scottish accent can be quite tricky to understand.

Geordies (people from Newcastle) are a struggle for me as well, as a Londoner.

Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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And the small fact that the North is a totalitarian shithole.

100% Chinese sponsored totalitarian sh*thole. Yet the world keeps supporting China.

I don't really blame China for propping the regime up. A collapse of North Korea will likely be one of the largest humanitarian crises in human history. 25 million people with minimal education, skills mostly useless to the modern economy, and a failed infrastructure. I wouldn't want that on my border either.

Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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I'm Czech and I can attest to something similar in my country with its measly 10 million people. There's a Bohemian and a Moravian/Silesian dialect. Bohemia is part of the country where Prague is and with that dialect, you can fare very well all over the country. You'll stick out, and sound downright silly in the depths of Moravia, but you'll be fine. I can't ever remember not being able to understand a Bohemian simp…

This reminds me of the Scottish english accent. It's pretty cool sounding (to my west-coast US ears), but a thick Scottish accent can be quite tricky to understand.

I dated a girl whose parents were from Scotland. We were in Canada. I could barely understand anything her father said - one time at dinner he had to ask me to 'pass the salt' three times and I couldn't get it.

Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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I hope to live long enough to see North and South Korea unified like East/West Germany. But somehow I suspect it is going to be a lot harder for that to happen given the nuclear weapons involved and then learning how southern look down on northern folks.

This book gives an interesting take on it: http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Camp-14-Remarkable-Odyssey/dp/0...

According to it, the South considers the North so underdeveloped and backward that it isn't worth the cost of unification (which it estimates in the billions). Which makes sense considering that virtually the entire population of the North would require intensive medical care, subsidized housing, assimilation training, etc. Not to mention the cost of rounding up and trying the leadership for decades of crimes against humanity. It's an awful mess.

Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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Scots is an amazing language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0EwquC6wBU Though it seems like Scots is so overwhelmed by British Standard English to exist more on a creole continuum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-creole_continuum

The woman in that video, as you've probably noticed, is speaking Shetlandic. What's strange is that I've found that folks from the Borders sound very similar, especially from around Hawick, Kelso and Galashiels, yet they're ~400 miles apart and over the sea.

In pre-industrial Scotland, the Shetlands may have been nearly as close to the Borders as Edinburgh, especially if the Tweed was navigable (even for small boats) at that point. Before good roads and (especially) mechanized transport the sea was not an obstacle, it was an opportunity.

Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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And the small fact that the North is a totalitarian shithole.

East Germany was also not a great place – the largest domestic intelligence agency ever, everyone spying on each other, a totalitarian regime, a wall so that no one could flee, food was there, but you had no bananas, no chocolate, or any other expensive food. All in all, if one sees it objectively, east germany wasn’t /that/ different from North Korea.

East Germany was in poor condition relative to West, but nowhere near as disparate from the west as the Koreas are from each other. Though in East Germany you could get no bananas, in North Korea you can't get rice.

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I cannot say I am surprised. I could talk about Arabic almost every time I comment here. That get's boring. Let's move to Vietnamese. So one of the coolest co-workers my father had was a recon pilot during the Viewnam War. Not doing the high altitude picture stuff, but SIGINT and comm monitoring over the radio stuff. He volunteered and went to Nam for the Navy. He was sent to schools stateside to study Vietnamese fir…

That's a great story. I'm curious about Arabic now - can you tell us more?

Re: Korean is virtually two languages, which is a problem for North Korean defectors

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100% Chinese sponsored totalitarian sh*thole. Yet the world keeps supporting China.

I don't really blame China for propping the regime up. A collapse of North Korea will likely be one of the largest humanitarian crises in human history. 25 million people with minimal education, skills mostly useless to the modern economy, and a failed infrastructure. I wouldn't want that on my border either.

This is why the best way to deal with North Korea would be to support a coup that replaces the Kims with a less-crazy dictator, so they could slowly build things back up without trying to force them to integrate into China or SK.
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