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Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by onaclov2000 »

lectrick wrote: post #103
onaclov2000 wrote: post #92

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Sure if you don't have a family and kids, go ahead spend every second keeping on top of things, but not everyone is holed up in a dark corner just programming and researching new frameworks. It's not part of our job description, our job description is to ship, and if you're spending all your time re-building so you can be using the "new" hot gizmo framework, you're not shipping. Sorry you hit a nerve expecting everyo…

> Sure if you don't have a family and kids Family and kids are, by any measure, a huge time and energy sink. But that too is also important work that must be done, even if it has professional costs. The guys writing these new things, more often than not, don't have a family and kids and do have all that extra time. If you have committed to a family and kids, then join a shop where family people work and be content to…

I don't actually work on Web related stuff at all professionally, I am only using these things because they are my "side projects".... but I do like to keep on top of things when I can. I think just saying that someone HAS to keep on top to be able to be a developer is a bit much.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by hnrem »

yummybear wrote: post #12

I think it's great that there is such an amount of active development in the JS sphere, and I'm sure your framework is fantastic - so don't take this as directed at your framework specifically. That being said... I am however feeling so overexposed to new libraries and frameworks that I can hardly muster the energy to even look at it. I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries a…

Geography. The replies I've read, as they so often do, ignore geography. SV might move rapidly from one to the next, but the city I'm in is more conservative and moves slower, so all I've ever seen much of from recruiters are jquery, knockout, angular. SV is the gladiatorial arena, and only the survivors make it through the filters to elsewhere, so elsewhere has fewer to deal with. If you engage with SV news while living elsewhere you'll still be trying to keep up, but if you hang back, things are a bit more laid back. Or, make the decision to ignore every other tech. If the next one is along shortly, you'll not likely miss much.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by AlexC04 »

kyllo wrote: post #73
vdaniuk wrote: post #58

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It's Google fault as in a mistake, a defect, an offense that they've created a popular js framework? Is that a correct interpretation of your words?

Only if you feel that Angular itself was a mistake. I do, primarily because it's yet another attempt in a long history of misguided attempts to bestow Turing completeness on XML.

Not at all! Honestly there are some WONDERFUL things about angular. There are some bad ones too.

- Polling for changes vs. event driven - two way data bindings causing infinite redraw loops. - "feels like O(n^2)" performance on ng-repeats / large pages

but things like the templating, directives, data-binding... they are all really good things.

And dependency injection! They have really moved the needle forward on client side testing.

No angular in itself is not a mistake at all. There are mistakes without question. I suspect the angular 2.0 release will address many of the major criticisms. Though, I haven't read much about it yet.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by astoilkov »

norman784 wrote: post #109

Will be hard to compete with those big libraries like angular and react, b/c they have yet a large community, IMO I like angular on top of react (didn't like the way you create DOM with javascript, tried it 2 years ago, maybe it evolve but I doubt it). Also I'll wait till the project get more mature and get a significant community, b/c I'm not with the energy to learn every library that come out there, maybe will tes…

You are absolutely correct. It is hard to compete with Google and Facebook. Possibly impossible. I love what I do and it is great experience developing jsblocks.

And one last thing you could check OneScript - https://github.com/astoilkov/OneScript. Do you think it is simple?

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by hnrem »

lectrick wrote: post #99
hnrem wrote: post #91

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"it's an incredible privilege" -- how do you figure that? It's as accessible as accountancy, and I wouldn't say that's a privilege either, unless you're going to bring in the lack of educational opportunities available to bedouin kids. Maybe it's an accomplishment, it's a job, but how is it a privilege?

I filled out my explanation further.

Thanks. That looks like the SV experience. I realise that this is an SV site, but it sure is tiring hearing the 1%s point of view as if it's the norm across the industry globally.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by Meai »

AlexC04 wrote: post #104
kuyfiuyg wrote: post #18

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So don't study it then? It's perfectly fine to continue using what you are using. Most recruiters talking to me still ask for Angular, even if I consider it a little hairy and prefer not using it. After being in the JS sphere for a while and living with these changes, I have learned a lot. Because there is nothing new under the sun, these all do pretty much the same thing - but in different ways. There are tradeoffs,…

I "failed" a job interview recently to the reason that they didn't have faith in my jQuery (any by extension Javascript) skills. I managed to write a multi-page response explaining how the modern frameworks were moving away from jquery in favour of data bindings, virtual dom, etc... while I acknowledge that there is still a place for jQuery, it has a very much diminished role in modern web development. In the end, I…

I dont understand, if mithril is good why would you want to try react? Personally I'm trying to solve a problem (make complex ui easy to code and understand) Either mithril solves it or it doesnt..?

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by AlexC04 »

rattray wrote: post #50
bshimmin wrote: post #38

Top article on the front page of Hacker News as I write this, and not a single positive comment below. Great job, guys... To the author: I think the homepage looks great, the examples are clear and informative, and I would definitely give this a try if I weren't wed to a couple of other frameworks right now.

I think a lot of the negativity has to do with the marketing. This isn't being sold as "a cool thing I made", but "Better MV-ish Framework" and "Faster than React". If you try to position it as better than existing alternatives, HN commenters will tear it down if they don't think it makes the cut. If you put it out as "exploring interesting new approaches", I think you're likely to see a lot less negativity here. Com…

on record: I loved working in Mithril and am a huge fan of Leo one of the nicest guys around.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by manigandham »

lectrick wrote: post #106
manigandham wrote: post #95

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Come on, I'm a full-stack guy and worked on lots of teams/projects/companies. I have yet to see a need to stay on top of every new development constantly, especially JS frameworks that still need to be proven. None of the productive developers I know care about all the daily/weekly noise, if something is truly new and good it'll become known on a monthly or quarterly scale. And about job description - developers are…

> the business doesn't care and would rather have something that works True, but unless you own the business, the business' goals are not your goals. The business wants a working product; you need to stay relevant in a career. Sometimes these may align, but not always.

Right, which is why I said learning isn't part of the job description.

When I hire devs, I base their relevancy on what functionality and results they produced for their employer/project, not how new their tech stack was.

Go ahead and learn new stuff but if you know the fundamentals, the frameworks are just different syntaxes for the same thing. But don't assume that someone who doesnt keep up with things every day or week is somehow irrelevant. These frameworks won't change your productivity that much and your output is what matters.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by emehrkay »

throwaway12357 wrote: post #64
emehrkay wrote: post #40

I've been playing around with RiotJs (actually committed some fixes/features to the repo). I think what is attractive about both Riot and React is that everything is "defined" in JavaScript, there isn't really a separation of markup and behavior. Each little module can act an individual component. React has gone a step further and has shown that the DOM doesn't really matter...your React code could create native apps…

How would you compare Riot to React?

I cannot give a fair comparison because I haven't done much outside of the the demo stuff with React. However, I will say that React seems to have much more tooling and a bigger community. Riot may be easier to get into and understand because it uses plain html in its Tag objects.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by joshuacc »

avinassh wrote: post #56
icemelt8 wrote: post #33

I seriously think this is some sort of parody of JS. Really? A new framework every week?

As someone who mostly codes in Python, I don't understand, why JS gets new framework so often. What is the reason behind? Is Javascript makes thing easy to develop a new framework? Why doesn't Python get new framework so often?

My personal theory is that it is because

    * JS is possibly the largest programming language community in the world
    * There are a lot of shortcomings in "the web platform" for app-style development
    * Most JS developers are primarily developers in another language with a stronger culture and set of ideas/idioms
Combine these things and you get .NET developers creating C# flavored JS frameworks, Ruby developers creating Railsish frameworks, etc. Then you have interactions of those ideas, where it's like C# and Ruby had a baby as a JavaScript MVC framework. :-)

It's basically the cambrian explosion.

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