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Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by hnrem »

lectrick wrote: post #81
yummybear wrote: post #12

I think it's great that there is such an amount of active development in the JS sphere, and I'm sure your framework is fantastic - so don't take this as directed at your framework specifically. That being said... I am however feeling so overexposed to new libraries and frameworks that I can hardly muster the energy to even look at it. I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries a…

> I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries and frameworks showing up. Every two weeks, another one shows up with another paradigm shifting approach. Every two weeks ? Try every day. I hate to be that guy, but this sounds like whining. You're a developer, it's an incredible privilege (we're part of one of the fastest-growing, most-successful businesses ever, and we basically ge…

"it's an incredible privilege" -- how do you figure that? It's as accessible as accountancy, and I wouldn't say that's a privilege either, unless you're going to bring in the lack of educational opportunities available to bedouin kids. Maybe it's an accomplishment, it's a job, but how is it a privilege?

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

#92

Post by onaclov2000 »

lectrick wrote: post #81
yummybear wrote: post #12

I think it's great that there is such an amount of active development in the JS sphere, and I'm sure your framework is fantastic - so don't take this as directed at your framework specifically. That being said... I am however feeling so overexposed to new libraries and frameworks that I can hardly muster the energy to even look at it. I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries a…

> I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries and frameworks showing up. Every two weeks, another one shows up with another paradigm shifting approach. Every two weeks ? Try every day. I hate to be that guy, but this sounds like whining. You're a developer, it's an incredible privilege (we're part of one of the fastest-growing, most-successful businesses ever, and we basically ge…

Sure if you don't have a family and kids, go ahead spend every second keeping on top of things, but not everyone is holed up in a dark corner just programming and researching new frameworks. It's not part of our job description, our job description is to ship, and if you're spending all your time re-building so you can be using the "new" hot gizmo framework, you're not shipping. Sorry you hit a nerve expecting everyone to be on top of everything. I get about an hour a day, if I can convince myself to wake up after putting kids to sleep, so is it better to work on my project and get something done, or just keep researching new frameworks?

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

#93

Post by spenczar5 »

lectrick wrote: post #81
yummybear wrote: post #12

I think it's great that there is such an amount of active development in the JS sphere, and I'm sure your framework is fantastic - so don't take this as directed at your framework specifically. That being said... I am however feeling so overexposed to new libraries and frameworks that I can hardly muster the energy to even look at it. I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries a…

> I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries and frameworks showing up. Every two weeks, another one shows up with another paradigm shifting approach. Every two weeks ? Try every day. I hate to be that guy, but this sounds like whining. You're a developer, it's an incredible privilege (we're part of one of the fastest-growing, most-successful businesses ever, and we basically ge…

> man-up and ask your superiors for more.

Or woman-up, right?

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

#94

Post by xyzzy123 »

moron4hire wrote: post #90
avinassh wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who mostly codes in Python, I don't understand, why JS gets new framework so often. What is the reason behind? Is Javascript makes thing easy to develop a new framework? Why doesn't Python get new framework so often?

It because package management in JS is complete garbage. I can't believe people actually like using Bower or Browserify or JSPM or any of it. While NPM for Node has some scaling problems, at least it just works for the simple cases. I've never not had problems with the client-side JS package systems and managers. So package adoption is hard because of this. If you make it a pain for implementing developers to use you…

Just use npm dude :p

Seriously though, it's a non-problem now. There is no way I'd go back to anything else. Webpack and browserify are the only way to go.

Yes, there is a certain purism to doing your own modules and IIFEs and JS, but it's like claiming that code is only fast when it's asm.

Besides it can all be optimised out if you add the closure compiler plus relevant comments

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by manigandham »

lectrick wrote: post #81
yummybear wrote: post #12

I think it's great that there is such an amount of active development in the JS sphere, and I'm sure your framework is fantastic - so don't take this as directed at your framework specifically. That being said... I am however feeling so overexposed to new libraries and frameworks that I can hardly muster the energy to even look at it. I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries a…

> I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries and frameworks showing up. Every two weeks, another one shows up with another paradigm shifting approach. Every two weeks ? Try every day. I hate to be that guy, but this sounds like whining. You're a developer, it's an incredible privilege (we're part of one of the fastest-growing, most-successful businesses ever, and we basically ge…

Come on, I'm a full-stack guy and worked on lots of teams/projects/companies. I have yet to see a need to stay on top of every new development constantly, especially JS frameworks that still need to be proven.

None of the productive developers I know care about all the daily/weekly noise, if something is truly new and good it'll become known on a monthly or quarterly scale.

And about job description - developers are hired to build functionality, not learn new things. It might help further your personal goals and eventually help provide functionality faster/better using new tools but at the end of the day, the business doesn't care and would rather have something that works. Don't get caught up in the hype. It's great that you seem so passionate about it but keep in mind what the work is really about.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by vdaniuk »

kyllo wrote: post #73
vdaniuk wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Google fault as in a mistake, a defect, an offense that they've created a popular js framework? Is that a correct interpretation of your words?

Only if you feel that Angular itself was a mistake. I do, primarily because it's yet another attempt in a long history of misguided attempts to bestow Turing completeness on XML.

I don't.

If Angular has produced a local optima of efficiency in the range of "misguided attempts" then it's effect on the development ecosystem was a net positive.

That said, I am extremely concerned that most popular frameworks/libraries are products of megacorps.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by dyr »

avinassh wrote: post #56
icemelt8 wrote: post #33

I seriously think this is some sort of parody of JS. Really? A new framework every week?

As someone who mostly codes in Python, I don't understand, why JS gets new framework so often. What is the reason behind? Is Javascript makes thing easy to develop a new framework? Why doesn't Python get new framework so often?

I think it's because it's relatively straightforward to accomplish. These guys can work on creating stuff like this and put on their portfolio they created "Noun.js" and it 'looks good' to those not in the developer world and knowing a new one is out every week.

I consider them somewhat fluffy and learn just to say nice job and move on.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by lectrick »

hnrem wrote: post #91
lectrick wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I constantly feel that I'm behind on my homework having to evaluate new libraries and frameworks showing up. Every two weeks, another one shows up with another paradigm shifting approach. Every two weeks ? Try every day. I hate to be that guy, but this sounds like whining. You're a developer, it's an incredible privilege (we're part of one of the fastest-growing, most-successful businesses ever, and we basically ge…

"it's an incredible privilege" -- how do you figure that? It's as accessible as accountancy, and I wouldn't say that's a privilege either, unless you're going to bring in the lack of educational opportunities available to bedouin kids. Maybe it's an accomplishment, it's a job, but how is it a privilege?

I filled out my explanation further.

Re: Show HN: An Isomorphic JavaScript Framework Faster Than React

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Post by dbpatterson »

moopsy wrote: post #74
lhorie wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a look at Mithril. People are frequently surprised by its small learning curve (and for many, the majority of the learning is for knowledge that you can go and apply outside of Mithril)

Tired of looking at new javascript frameworks? Look at this javascript framework that will fix everything!

To give him credit, the thing that is appealing about it is that there is very little to it that's not javascript. So you can very easily expect to figure out everything you need to know about it in a day or two, vs however long it take to familiarize yourself with one of these massive new frameworks.
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