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Aaaah ВАЗ aka VAZ aka Lada. What is the difference between a Lada and a golf ball? You can drive a golf ball 200 meters. How do Lada drivers recognize each other? They already met at the mechanic that morning.
> Aaaah ВАЗ aka VAZ aka Lada. a.k.a Fiat 124 BTW, Ladas were (still are) exported to the West and did reasonably well as low-cost vehicles.
Street View, North Korea
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What's a Lada on top of a hill? A miracle. What' two Ladas on top of a hill? Science-fiction. What's three Ladas on top of a hill? A weird place to build a Lada factory.
I grew up with these Lada jokes and for me Ladas were just something ridiculous and for some reason I can only remember them in this godawful cream colour tinged with rust around every possible edge. Then a couple of years back I visited Georgia and Armenia and I saw moderately well maintained Ladas in black and I have to say there was something very charming about them! Tbilisi can be pretty hilly and steep and I wa…
I've still not figured out how, if Top Gear was to be believed, how the BMW 3-series became the best-selling vehicle in the UK.
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"the world does nothing." What would you have the world do? Invade like the US did to Iraq, causing a million deaths?
It's actually a bit silly of me to refer to "the world" as though it's one coherent, unified entity. The U.N. is closer to what I was imagining, but regardless, what I'd like to see is a strong push for North Korea to open it's borders in exchange for a lightening of sanctions. The NK leadership's power is retained almost entirely through keeping people in the dark. On a wackier, cantankerous note, I also envision a…
What would the value be to the NK leadership to do that? Worrying about the well being of the population? I think they've made it pretty clear that's not really high on the list of priorities.
As you said, they stay in power by keeping people in the dark. No one voluntarily gives up power.
Also, you might find the Frontline story on North Korea interesting.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/secret-state-of-nort...
Re: Street View, North Korea
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"the world does nothing." What would you have the world do? Invade like the US did to Iraq, causing a million deaths?
It's actually a bit silly of me to refer to "the world" as though it's one coherent, unified entity. The U.N. is closer to what I was imagining, but regardless, what I'd like to see is a strong push for North Korea to open it's borders in exchange for a lightening of sanctions. The NK leadership's power is retained almost entirely through keeping people in the dark. On a wackier, cantankerous note, I also envision a…
That wouldn't fly with them. Their entire governmental ideology is based upon something called "Juche" which means 'self reliance'. It would kinda be like asking the US to give up the first amendment in exchange for some trade goodies. Just not gonna happen.
>The NK leadership's power is retained almost entirely through keeping people in the dark.
This isn't true. People are not in the dark as much as you might think. They are vaguely aware of what goes on outside the country's borders. It would be impossible for them not to be. This is partly why a year ago the NK government released a list of "best places in the world to live". China was #1 because North Koreans are able to watch the Chinese get rich and the government couldn't deny it.
The leadership's power is predicated mostly upon two things :
A) Propaganda that makes the citizens afraid of the outside world - US and Japan mostly. Unfortunately, when the US does shit like invade Iraq, saber rattle Iran, and sticks nukes on the 38th parallel (did you not wonder why NK developed nukes? THAT'S why), it's not that hard to convince North Koreans that they are under mortal threat. The strong censorship helps a lot with this, but the propaganda would probably still hold pretty well without it.
B) A gift economy. The leader showers his underlings with maseratis. He showers his underlings with jewellery. He showers his underlings with alcohol. Etcetera. All the way down. The hierarchy is very well cemented in by strong ties of loyalty. Chop off the head and all of that remains.
>On a wackier, cantankerous note, I also envision a scheme of dropping solar-charged epaper tablets and blasting the entire country with free WiFi to make locking down knowledge about the outside world impossible.
This type of thing has been going on for a long time (hell, we've had short wave radios for how long?). It doesn't really seem to be working.
Yes, the North Koreans get this stuff sometimes, but seeing a DVD of Friends doesn't immediately inspire them to overthrow their government and the smart ones are rightfully terrified of owning such contraband.
I'd be more optimistic about this strategy, too, if propaganda didn't work so well on American citizens, who have all of those things and yet still believe absurd lies fed to them by their leaders.
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What struck me was the lack of life on the streets. Anywhere else I'd expect to see street vendors, buskers, flashy billboards and storefronts, people laughing, but there's none of that. The streets seem purely functional. But they're not bleak either - the landscaping is quite nice, actually. Might just be confirmation bias on my part.
According to "A Year in Pyongyang" (written by a Brit, see http://www.aidanfc.net/a_year_in_pyongyang_1.html ), in the 80s under Kim Il Sung there were plenty of people laughing in the streets. He describes many workers as having an attitude similar to playful children, and in particular he describes actual kids as "the pampered citizens of North Korea": always laughing, always playing, pampered by everyone. Keep in…
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012/07/16/the-story-of-...
Oh Kil-nam is a South Korean man who received his PhD in Germany, decided to defect there with his wife and two children in 1986.