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Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by Narishma »

scholia wrote: post #89
xyby wrote: post #59

How about Linux on the new MacBook? It's a nice machine and my old lenovo looks a bit "unhipsterish" when I work in a cafe. Also it's heavier. But I live in Linux, so I would have to be sure it works.

You could look at a Yoga 3 with a Core-M processor: similar to the new MacBook but with more ports, touch screen, tablet functinality and less than half the price http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Yoga-11-6-Inch-Notebook-Silve... There is a performance hit because it has a an M-5Y10 instead of an M-5Y71. Depends how much you want to pay to look "hipsterish". I would pay more to look non-hipsterish ;-)

Depending on the cooling system of the laptop and what kinds of applications you use, a 5Y71 can be slower than a 5Y10.

More details: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9117/analyzing-intel-core-m-pe...

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by dmethvin »

captainmuon wrote: post #98
coldtea wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They were the one who blew windows vista out of the water when it came to smoothness, resource consumption and hardware support. Beryl and Compiz? I beg to differ. Besides a bitch to get running, and get running well, they were not at all comparable to Vista with regards to "resource consumption" and "hardware support".

This is just an anecdote, but I share the parent's experience, too. I bought a low-end HP laptop around when Vista came out (2006/07?). It ran with Aero Glass, but not very smoothly. But first compiz-quinn and then beryl worked perfectly, also with the same blurred transparency effect that was slow on Windows. Even when I enabled the crazier effects like wobbly windows, it remained smooth, and used not noticably more…

On the Windows side, there was a lot of tense discussion between Intel and Microsoft regarding Intel's popular integrated-graphics chipset being shipped at the time of Vista's release. The chipset didn't have hardware DirectX support and shouldn't have been certified, but Intel had promised their customers (like HP) the chipsets were fine and they were not anywhere near the end of the product lifecycles for either the chipset or the PCs. So Microsoft fudged the rules and a bunch of consumer-grade hardware ran like crap on Vista.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by rz2k »

nbevans wrote: post #27
stilleto wrote: post #9

Obviously the guys at microsoft with a lot more experience in software development will create a superior product. This shouldn't be a surprise as OS X is merely a mod of components derived from linux.

Why is this down voted to oblivion? It is the hard truth, albeit he meant to say Unix not Linux. OSX is merely an "okay" OS. The points in the article about Mission Control being slow and laggy are completely true in my experience (2014 MBPr 16GB 512GB). Windows is architecturally a better OS than OSX.

It begins with “obviously” then says a few silly things. What does “with a lot more experience in software development” mean? Does that mean that the team at Microsoft is generally later in its career than the team at Apple? That’s kind of weird and unsubstantiated. Maybe it is trying to say that Windows is more mature, because it has been around longer? Yet, both operating systems are better from the result of many significant overhauls and redesigns, rather than refinement alone. Even determining which one is older would be a pointless discussion, since there are so many different ways of measuring the age of different components.

Finally, “merely a mod of components from Linux”? I don’t think anyone cared about the distinction between BSD and Linux or GNU user space tools. Things like a kernel with a multiuser system and different permissions are the types of improvements that were once difficult to handle on most consumer machines, yet they were also incorporated into Windows with NT. UNIX is part of the Mac OS being a modern operating system. Even if you lose the weasel word “merely”, OS X is not only a window manager or desktop environment, at a low level there are significant architectural distinctions between OS X and FreeBSD, and differences between OS X and FreeBSD compared to Linux that were developed at Apple.

The point is not that they cannot be compared, but that they have actual merits to compare rather than weaselly arguments as though we were in a 1990s chat room or forum.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by noondip »

plg wrote: post #33

Has anyone tested linux on the 12-inch macbook yet? How straightforward is it (or isn't it) to install?

I haven't been successful. The latest Debian and Ubuntu images don't have a recent enough kernel to support the trackpad, keyboard or even NVMe SSD, it seems.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by madez »

kasabali wrote: post #93
emp_zealoth wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I'm using Ubuntu/Gnome 3 on both my 6 year old gaming desktop and 4 years old i3/basic discrete AMD GPU laptop and I have to say everything runs extremely smooth and consumes a pittance less than 1GB RAM used with some stuff in the background

Gnome shell is CPU hungry and I can tell I'm not alone with that because I did a lot of google search on it. Even when dragging windows around, CPU usage skyrockets to 40-60% and it's not even smooth. And that's with gpu acceleration, I can't even imagine what would've happened if it were on software rendering. Not to mention memory usage of gnome shell only increases with time. They are all known issues but shell de…

I'm using Gnome shell and just tested what happens to the CPU usage when I drag around windows. The dragging itself was buttery smooth and gnome-shell never used more than 12.6% of one core. I'm using the libre radeonsi driver.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by kasabali »

sillygoose wrote: post #107
kasabali wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree and I'll leverage your comment to rant a bit so please forgive me :) It's the old CADT [0] monster still at work. Windows desktop is the same old explorer shell which has been there since 1995? Only addition is dwm, which provides the modern graphical facilities. And Windows team has been constantly improving this same codebase for 20 years now. While on the FOSS side, desktop developers are busy with the sis…

>> I don't think more resources or less fragmentation would change anything regarding the situation above Well, as far as I can tell, lots of Linux people are hipstery special little snowflakes and fork things because some small thing isn't exactly as they want it, and that's where most of the fragmentation comes from. Assuming that's largely accurate, why would it not be a problem? What if we had, say, three major L…

I totally agree with you with respect to distribution fragmentation. Fragmentation there is much worse and definitely harmful at this point.

My above statement was specifically about the desktop environments, and DEs actually fit into your scenario. There are only 2 major DEs which have most mindshare, followed by handful of smaller ones. So there is not a bad fragmentation in that area (at least historically, there is now more diversity compared to 5 years ago), and the major ones have been with us for many years, AFAIK since late 90's? That's not only plenty of time to turn both of them into kick ass desktops, but also create wonderful ecosystems around them with high quality applications. Yet all we see is rewriting or porting everything every few years.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by kasabali »

madez wrote: post #115
kasabali wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome shell is CPU hungry and I can tell I'm not alone with that because I did a lot of google search on it. Even when dragging windows around, CPU usage skyrockets to 40-60% and it's not even smooth. And that's with gpu acceleration, I can't even imagine what would've happened if it were on software rendering. Not to mention memory usage of gnome shell only increases with time. They are all known issues but shell de…

I'm using Gnome shell and just tested what happens to the CPU usage when I drag around windows. The dragging itself was buttery smooth and gnome-shell never used more than 12.6% of one core. I'm using the libre radeonsi driver.

It's because of either different drivers, or your one core is faster than my poor little c2d core, or you're not moving it crazy enough :) Did you compare it with kwin? For example, on my machine gnome shell uses sth. like 40-60% while kwin is 10% at most.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by coldtea »

protomyth wrote: post #92
coldtea wrote: post #75

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How buggy was it, really? I've heard several painful stories, but nothing concrete, except some changes Apple made to the DNS infrastructure. The same kind of stories I've heard for every release since 10.4, about how the new one is so buggy, etc. Then, the next release comes and people wax nostalgically about how stable the previous one was.

I have about 50 to go by and given the stats, it crashes more often than Maverick and much more than Mountain Lion. Wifi is a constant pain (although iOS 8 is much, much worse with about 75% of the iPhones and iPads refusing to work with our Cisco network - no other OS exhibits this randomish behavior). It also is a memory hog compared to Maverick and earlier. 4GB machines are noticeably sluggish (to the point of use…

Ι've seen some wi-fi pain.

I've not have had any crashes yet. I had a few in Mavericks and Mountain Lion (grey screen about needing to restart etc) -- like 1 or 2 a month.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by keithpeter »

sillygoose wrote: post #107
kasabali wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree and I'll leverage your comment to rant a bit so please forgive me :) It's the old CADT [0] monster still at work. Windows desktop is the same old explorer shell which has been there since 1995? Only addition is dwm, which provides the modern graphical facilities. And Windows team has been constantly improving this same codebase for 20 years now. While on the FOSS side, desktop developers are busy with the sis…

>> I don't think more resources or less fragmentation would change anything regarding the situation above Well, as far as I can tell, lots of Linux people are hipstery special little snowflakes and fork things because some small thing isn't exactly as they want it, and that's where most of the fragmentation comes from. Assuming that's largely accurate, why would it not be a problem? What if we had, say, three major L…

Not clear it is the number of distributions that is the problem as they tend to package the same libraries, desktop environments and applications. I agree with grandparent post that it is the churn in underlying libraries and the downstream re-work for no increase in functionality that causes that is the problem.

PS: Linux is widely used everywhere except traditional 'desktops'. Existing mainstream DEs are pretty good (KDE5/Gnome 3.16/MATE 1.8) and provide a range of choice.

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