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Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

nbevans wrote: post #95
acdha wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that it's a Unix – Apple even got it certified in years past – but it's not that simple: Mach is not a Unix kernel and the Mach interfaces percolate up to the higher levels for many tasks which aren't covered by the POSIX layers. The bigger difference, though, is higher up. While you certainly can compile POSIX code on OS X, most of the applications which people run use Cocoa and that owes far more t…

This post backs up the statement you hated so much though. That OSX is just a mod of various components plus an old era Unix kernel at the core. You literally validated the point. OSX is a strange OS to use. It looks and feels good at first glance but when you have used it for a year, one really longs to return to a pure Windows environment. OSX has weird bugs like the beachball cursor which is something that simply…

The OS X Beachball is exactly the same as Windows's busy cursor. That's a Windows feature that was never removed, you just don't see it much usually if things work properly. As of Vista Windows has a spinner rather than an hourglass.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

pmelendez wrote: post #31
bartekko wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, the only thing holding them back is not being able to switch between discrete and integrated graphics on Windows.

You can switch between them, usually using the control panel setting of the discrete graphics card (Nvidia in my case)

Manual switching? Ouch.

So that means by default high battery drain, heat issues, and having to manually switch on the discrete graphics card by hand every time you visit a 3D-utilising website.

People have been complaining about no auto-switch in Windows on Macbooks for years, yet they haven't fixed it. Tons of other laptops already support it (inc. Thinkpads).

Apple keep Windows "bad" on Macbooks on purpose. It is the only explanation for all the driver issues they have (but no other laptop manufacturer has).

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #58
junto wrote: post #2

I'm now tempted to buy a Macbook Pro so I can install Windows 10!

You'd be better off with a Surface Pro or something from Lenovo in my opinion. Macs are crippled for Windows since Apple can't be bothered to provide proper drivers. They keyboard is also all out of place and mislabeled for Windows and there's no docking station.

Yeah. Last review I read Windows 8.1 was getting 1/2 the battery life of OS X on Macbook. From what people can tell this is because Apple's Windows drivers lack the ability to put components into lower power states and graphics card switching remains broken.

Apple wants Windows to be worse than OS X on Apple's hardware. That's what it really boils down to. They're either apathetic or want people to believe that OS X is inherently better.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by geographomics »

nbevans wrote: post #95
acdha wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that it's a Unix – Apple even got it certified in years past – but it's not that simple: Mach is not a Unix kernel and the Mach interfaces percolate up to the higher levels for many tasks which aren't covered by the POSIX layers. The bigger difference, though, is higher up. While you certainly can compile POSIX code on OS X, most of the applications which people run use Cocoa and that owes far more t…

This post backs up the statement you hated so much though. That OSX is just a mod of various components plus an old era Unix kernel at the core. You literally validated the point. OSX is a strange OS to use. It looks and feels good at first glance but when you have used it for a year, one really longs to return to a pure Windows environment. OSX has weird bugs like the beachball cursor which is something that simply…

Describing it as "just a mod" rather downplays the significant development effort that OS X has undergone since its inception. The code originally borrowed from Mach and BSD only applies to some parts of the kernel, and a few userspace programs.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by RomanPushkin »

jszymborski wrote: post #80
roma1n wrote: post #76

While we're talking about windows, any advice on how to make it developer friendly outside of .net? (Say for people whose main tools are bash, vi and a compiler)

Step one: Install Cmdr http://gooseberrycreative.com/cmder/ Step two: If on !Win10, use the chocolatey nu-get package manager ( https://chocolatey.org/ ), but if on Win10, I _think_ the native package manager will be a drop-in, tho I'm not sure. That is literally _all_ you have to do to get 90% of what I do on a linux terminal into a windows console.

Be careful with Chocolatey, it will install the software without unchecking those nastly tools: search bars, etc. To be honest, it makes Chocolatey absolutely unuseful.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by kasabali »

Aleman360 wrote: post #72
kasabali wrote: post #29

> Here's the real kicker: it's fast. It's smooth. It renders at 60FPS unless you have a lot going on. It's unequivocally better than performance on OS X, further leading me to believe that Apple really needs to overhaul how animations are done. Even when I turn Transparency off in OS X, Mission Control isn't completely smooth. Here, even after some Aero Glass transparency has been added in, everything is smooth. It's…

And guess what... We're using the same tools available to third party app developers, in an effort to ensure the dev platform is rock solid. The Start menu is just a universal XAML app. We don't have to do any special optimization on top of what the framework offers. Disclaimer: Microsoft employee working on the Windows 10 Start menu.

That's impressive. I've not tried Windows 10 yet but I hear nothing but good things about it. Keep up the good work!

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by sillygoose »

kasabali wrote: post #88
sheng wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know what you mean and the amusing thing is that it used to be the other way around. Back then in the older days of Gnome2 and KDE3 it was possible to use them with other window managers like Beryl and Compiz. These again also provided a 3D desktop experience and in their later development stage they were well optimized and stable. They were the one who blew windows vista out of the water when it came to smoothness…

I agree and I'll leverage your comment to rant a bit so please forgive me :) It's the old CADT [0] monster still at work. Windows desktop is the same old explorer shell which has been there since 1995? Only addition is dwm, which provides the modern graphical facilities. And Windows team has been constantly improving this same codebase for 20 years now. While on the FOSS side, desktop developers are busy with the sis…

>> I don't think more resources or less fragmentation would change anything regarding the situation above

Well, as far as I can tell, lots of Linux people are hipstery special little snowflakes and fork things because some small thing isn't exactly as they want it, and that's where most of the fragmentation comes from.

Assuming that's largely accurate, why would it not be a problem?

What if we had, say, three major Linux distros instead of dozens of half-assed ones? How many tinkerer-distros does the world need? -As many as it takes to prevent Linux from ever conquering the desktop, it seems.

But seriously.. Please stop.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by RomanPushkin »

Im running Windows on MacBook for 4+ years. I have Bootcamp installed, and I switch between OS X and Windows 8.

I use Windows for .Net development only. When it comes to programming Ruby, or just to surfing the web, I prefer Mac OS X. The UI/UX for Windows really sucks comparing to OS X. No gestures support, you'll need to use mouse instead of TrackPad.

You can tune your Windows (use third-party tools like trackpad++, write some autohotkey scripts), but you won't get this feeling that you're at home.

(FYI: I'm ~4 year Mac user and I've been using Windows/Linux since 1994).

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by akhilcacharya »

I've been using a '14 Macbook Pro Retina for the last five months - its been a great machine, but I do notice a bit of lag in some cases.

For the longest time I just attributed it to software - I'm hopeful that the next version of OSX is able to optimize for HDPI displays.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by akhilcacharya »

peterhadlaw wrote: post #64
pmelendez wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe... Still my Yoga 2 Pro feels and looks better than any Mac laptop I have own or seen. Touch screen is definetely a must-have to me. It is specially useful if you are developing for touch devices.

Are the colors still messed up on the Y2P?

I was able to handle one yesterday, and yes, it seems so.
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