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Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Maybe... Still my Yoga 2 Pro feels and looks better than any Mac laptop I have own or seen. Touch screen is definetely a must-have to me. It is specially useful if you are developing for touch devices.

Touch screen on a laptop. Yuck.

What's the problem with additional functionality on a laptop screen?

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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It's just trolling. Describing OS X as a Unix derivative is roughly as accurate as describing Windows 10 as DOS-based. If he wanted to have a nuanced conversation about OS architecture, he could talk about something specific rather than huge generalizations with terms which make it clear he doesn't know enough of the details to be qualified to make such broad statements. Similarly, talking about one benchmark on one…

But OS X literally is a Unix derivative. Its precursor NeXTSTEP was built on top of the Mach kernel and BSD. In comparison, Windows 10 has its roots in the Windows NT lineage (starting with NT 3.1, and including Windows XP), which is separate from the DOS-derived Windows line that ended with Windows ME. (That said, I agree that he was just trolling.)

I don't disagree that it's a Unix – Apple even got it certified in years past – but it's not that simple:

Mach is not a Unix kernel and the Mach interfaces percolate up to the higher levels for many tasks which aren't covered by the POSIX layers.

The bigger difference, though, is higher up. While you certainly can compile POSIX code on OS X, most of the applications which people run use Cocoa and that owes far more to the NextStep side of its lineage than the Unix bits.

The better comparison might have been Win32 rather than DOS, where most of the interfaces were designed by the Win95 developers even though they were also implemented on top of the NT kernel. I've often wondered how much better things would have been in the late 90s/early 200s if David Cutler's team had been able to get the Win95 team to follow their generally much better instincts rather than the other way around. If nothing else, they wouldn't have needed to spend a decade duct-taping security onto a single-user design.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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> Here's the real kicker: it's fast. It's smooth. It renders at 60FPS unless you have a lot going on. It's unequivocally better than performance on OS X, further leading me to believe that Apple really needs to overhaul how animations are done. Even when I turn Transparency off in OS X, Mission Control isn't completely smooth. Here, even after some Aero Glass transparency has been added in, everything is smooth. It's…

I know what you mean and the amusing thing is that it used to be the other way around. Back then in the older days of Gnome2 and KDE3 it was possible to use them with other window managers like Beryl and Compiz. These again also provided a 3D desktop experience and in their later development stage they were well optimized and stable. They were the one who blew windows vista out of the water when it came to smoothness, resource consumption and hardware support.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Macs really are some of the best Windows laptops you can buy - and now with full UEFI support Windows boots as fast as OS X.

Maybe... Still my Yoga 2 Pro feels and looks better than any Mac laptop I have own or seen. Touch screen is definetely a must-have to me. It is specially useful if you are developing for touch devices.

Are the colors still messed up on the Y2P?

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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> Here's the real kicker: it's fast. It's smooth. It renders at 60FPS unless you have a lot going on. It's unequivocally better than performance on OS X, further leading me to believe that Apple really needs to overhaul how animations are done. Even when I turn Transparency off in OS X, Mission Control isn't completely smooth. Here, even after some Aero Glass transparency has been added in, everything is smooth. It's…

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Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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> Here's the real kicker: it's fast. It's smooth. It renders at 60FPS unless you have a lot going on. It's unequivocally better than performance on OS X, further leading me to believe that Apple really needs to overhaul how animations are done. Even when I turn Transparency off in OS X, Mission Control isn't completely smooth. Here, even after some Aero Glass transparency has been added in, everything is smooth. It's…

Yeah the OS X UI smoothness is great if the GPU is up to the task, like on my iMac it's flawless but in the case of this Macbook it's Intel Integrated graphics on a Retina display, and in my experience that can be less than flawlessly smooth in operations like Mission Control/Expose for sure, so it seems Apple has some catching up to do now. I also find Windows runs very well on low specced computers.

Safari on Mac OS is extremely smooth, from the looks of this blog it seems Microsoft has replicated that in Edge browser. Look forward to trying it.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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> Here's the real kicker: it's fast. It's smooth. It renders at 60FPS unless you have a lot going on. It's unequivocally better than performance on OS X, further leading me to believe that Apple really needs to overhaul how animations are done. Even when I turn Transparency off in OS X, Mission Control isn't completely smooth. Here, even after some Aero Glass transparency has been added in, everything is smooth. It's…

I know what you mean and the amusing thing is that it used to be the other way around. Back then in the older days of Gnome2 and KDE3 it was possible to use them with other window managers like Beryl and Compiz. These again also provided a 3D desktop experience and in their later development stage they were well optimized and stable. They were the one who blew windows vista out of the water when it came to smoothness…

>They were the one who blew windows vista out of the water when it came to smoothness, resource consumption and hardware support.

Beryl and Compiz? I beg to differ. Besides a bitch to get running, and get running well, they were not at all comparable to Vista with regards to "resource consumption" and "hardware support".

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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> Here's the real kicker: it's fast. It's smooth. It renders at 60FPS unless you have a lot going on. It's unequivocally better than performance on OS X, further leading me to believe that Apple really needs to overhaul how animations are done. Even when I turn Transparency off in OS X, Mission Control isn't completely smooth. Here, even after some Aero Glass transparency has been added in, everything is smooth. It's…

Have you tried the propietary graphics drivers in Linux? They improve things a lot. I'm using the Nvidia ones because Nouveau performance was very poor (not their fault, Nvidia is not very open to release specifications or code so they have to reverse engineer them) and everything is very smooth. And the battery life much better than Windows.

I'm already using proprietary Nvidia drivers but it doesn't seem to positively affect desktop performance that much on my machine (it's an old 2xxm card). I must say I'm happy with Kwin performance, it's just that Windows is much more smooth and uses somewhat less resources while doing that.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Hi, I typically run my MacBook connected to a 1200p monitor, and it behaves great. I've run all sorts of video content on the computer, up to 4K, and it plays it fine. Scrolling is smooth, though occasionally it'll hiccup here or there. Generally, I'm quite impressed with the performance. My review on the website goes into some more detail about day to day usage, if you're curious.

thanks! what kind of content/load would it hiccup on?

I've had some bad experiences scrolling through super high-resolution scanned PDF documents. Those cause beachballing for several seconds in between each page. However, this seems to be a known issue in Preview, and it happens on other, more powerful Macs. I haven't tried with a more optimized PDF reader.

Otherwise, if you have a very busy webpage with a lot going on, (and ads going), scrolling might not be entirely smooth.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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I find it funny that Windows 10 runs well on a MacBook yet it's terrible on my gaming desktop. Color profiles refuse to work, there's no way to prevent auto updates, auto updates completely reinstall the whole OS which can take 30+ min and reboots the computer without asking, video drivers break on every update, games are far less stable than with 8.1. To top all that off it seems to be stuck in some kind of update l…

You signed up for that. It's a beta. It warns you about the forced auto-updates on the page to download the ISO.
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