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Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by gcb0 »

it's a crippled device for windows.

windows 8 with touch enabled devices is another level. even if you only ever use touch so little. with touch and pen it's another level yet.

I've used Linux laptop with touch screen hacked in since 2006. had tons of tweaks. and win 8 still bowed me away. it is even integrated with a remote desktop (RDP) client on ios and android. when i connect to my HTPC in the living room (only place i have a reason to have windows installed) the touch input from the tablet just shine. i can use the remote device as if i was holding a surface 3 or something. there's no hacks and extra menus on the client to do anything. just touch solves all the needs you have to use the box

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by neovive »

Windows 8.1 runs quite smoothly on my 2 year old Mac Mini via Bootcamp. However, I do have problems runs Steam games from Windows due to the lack of a dedicated DirectX video card. I use the setup mostly for testing and for playing Project Spark. Does anyone know if the dedicated video card on the latest Macbook Pro supports DirectX games?

Also, I think he meant to say "Cmd+Shift+4" as the OS X screenshot shortcut or "Cmd+Shift+Ctrl+4" to copy screenshot to the clipboard.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by anonymfus »

>Little design touches have really improved the way things look, such as the switch to circular account pictures on the login screen

This is the thing I and many other Windows users hate with passion, see rants like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/35zsgk/excuse...

https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-sug...

https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-...

https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-...

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by acdha »

nbevans wrote: post #27
stilleto wrote: post #9

Obviously the guys at microsoft with a lot more experience in software development will create a superior product. This shouldn't be a surprise as OS X is merely a mod of components derived from linux.

Why is this down voted to oblivion? It is the hard truth, albeit he meant to say Unix not Linux. OSX is merely an "okay" OS. The points in the article about Mission Control being slow and laggy are completely true in my experience (2014 MBPr 16GB 512GB). Windows is architecturally a better OS than OSX.

It's just trolling. Describing OS X as a Unix derivative is roughly as accurate as describing Windows 10 as DOS-based.

If he wanted to have a nuanced conversation about OS architecture, he could talk about something specific rather than huge generalizations with terms which make it clear he doesn't know enough of the details to be qualified to make such broad statements.

Similarly, talking about one benchmark on one device for a feature which many people don't even use is not a good foundation for comparing the merits of entire operating systems. That's like saying you should buy a particular car because it has awesome door handles, as if there are no other possible factors which you need to consider.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by Alex_V_King »

neovive wrote: post #42

Windows 8.1 runs quite smoothly on my 2 year old Mac Mini via Bootcamp. However, I do have problems runs Steam games from Windows due to the lack of a dedicated DirectX video card. I use the setup mostly for testing and for playing Project Spark. Does anyone know if the dedicated video card on the latest Macbook Pro supports DirectX games? Also, I think he meant to say "Cmd+Shift+4" as the OS X screenshot shortcut or…

It's a little thing, but Cmd+Shift+3 is actually the shortcut to send a screenshot of the entire screen to the desktop. Cmd+Shift+4 is great for selecting a region.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by acdha »

anonymfus wrote: post #43

>Little design touches have really improved the way things look, such as the switch to circular account pictures on the login screen This is the thing I and many other Windows users hate with passion, see rants like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/35zsgk/excuse... https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-sug... https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-... https:…

Finding random people on the internet to complain about change is as hard as finding grains of sand at the beach. The real question is what percentage of users will actually even notice a week after release, much less actually be inconvenienced in some measurable way.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by Someone »

nkozyra wrote: post #32
pmelendez wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "possible to make a UI that works for both use cases!" That was what Windows 8/8.1 tried to do, but apparently people didn't like at all ( never understood that, to me is a fine OS)

People didn't like it because it wasn't adaptive to the present use. The tablet and desktop views were the same regardless, which made for some poor UX. Square peg, round hole.

> "possible to make a UI that works for both use cases!"

"People didn't like it because it wasn't adaptive to the present use. The tablet and desktop views were the same"

Isn't that more 'multiple similar UIs in a single executable' than 'same UI on tablet and desktop'?

If so, it seems the only difference with OS X/iOS is that Microsoft thinks a tablet now is powerful enough for desktop applications. Looking at size and weight of the latest MacBook, they probably are right.

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by geographomics »

acdha wrote: post #44
nbevans wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this down voted to oblivion? It is the hard truth, albeit he meant to say Unix not Linux. OSX is merely an "okay" OS. The points in the article about Mission Control being slow and laggy are completely true in my experience (2014 MBPr 16GB 512GB). Windows is architecturally a better OS than OSX.

It's just trolling. Describing OS X as a Unix derivative is roughly as accurate as describing Windows 10 as DOS-based. If he wanted to have a nuanced conversation about OS architecture, he could talk about something specific rather than huge generalizations with terms which make it clear he doesn't know enough of the details to be qualified to make such broad statements. Similarly, talking about one benchmark on one…

But OS X literally is a Unix derivative. Its precursor NeXTSTEP was built on top of the Mach kernel and BSD.

In comparison, Windows 10 has its roots in the Windows NT lineage (starting with NT 3.1, and including Windows XP), which is separate from the DOS-derived Windows line that ended with Windows ME.

(That said, I agree that he was just trolling.)

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by josteink »

kasabali wrote: post #29

> Here's the real kicker: it's fast. It's smooth. It renders at 60FPS unless you have a lot going on. It's unequivocally better than performance on OS X, further leading me to believe that Apple really needs to overhaul how animations are done. Even when I turn Transparency off in OS X, Mission Control isn't completely smooth. Here, even after some Aero Glass transparency has been added in, everything is smooth. It's…

> compared to modern Linux DE's ... it (Windows) blows them out of water when it cames to both smoothness and resource consumption.

I'm not going to debate this, but I'll just try to assign blame. It goes one place: X.

As long as they all build on X, things will be suboptimal and I can't wait for initiatives and projects like Wayland and Mir gain more traction.

If you doubt anything I say about X, please watch this youtube video which has one of the key X-maintainers complain about how bad it really is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6PFjoYuml0

Re: Testing the 12-inch MacBook's Performance with Windows 10

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Post by FreakyT »

edandersen wrote: post #17

Macs really are some of the best Windows laptops you can buy - and now with full UEFI support Windows boots as fast as OS X.

Completely disagree -- the Apple trackpad drivers on windows are awful, and on a laptop, most of your time will probably be spent using a trackpad. Trackpad++, which the author of the article mentions, can help, but it's a horrible program for the following reasons:

1. The developer requires that you put windows into "test mode" (creating a non-removable desktop watermark) to install it at all, apparently to get around code signing restrictions

2. The developer requires that you install the completely useless "Power Plan Assistant" program in addition to Trackpad++

3. The software itself is terribly buggy, causing random 100% CPU usage spikes

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