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Re: Street View, North Korea

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I recognize a Soviet car: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/-74CU7C3XYKmnkAtpVwiQA and http://mapillary.com/map/im/StWpR2MuX2z3Xhd1LWd9QQ , that's a 1979+ ВАЗ-2105 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%90%D0%97-2105 It looks (and is) dated, but actually was produced until recently and a common sight in Russia. I wonder how they get there.

Wasn't the Soviet Union main trading partner of NK for quite a while?

Well the cold war was a whole lot of "if you trade with them you can't trade with us"...

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I recognize a Soviet car: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/-74CU7C3XYKmnkAtpVwiQA and http://mapillary.com/map/im/StWpR2MuX2z3Xhd1LWd9QQ , that's a 1979+ ВАЗ-2105 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%90%D0%97-2105 It looks (and is) dated, but actually was produced until recently and a common sight in Russia. I wonder how they get there.

Aaaah ВАЗ aka VAZ aka Lada. What is the difference between a Lada and a golf ball? You can drive a golf ball 200 meters. How do Lada drivers recognize each other? They already met at the mechanic that morning.

What's a Lada on top of a hill? A miracle.

What' two Ladas on top of a hill? Science-fiction.

What's three Ladas on top of a hill? A weird place to build a Lada factory.

Re: Street View, North Korea

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Aaaah ВАЗ aka VAZ aka Lada. What is the difference between a Lada and a golf ball? You can drive a golf ball 200 meters. How do Lada drivers recognize each other? They already met at the mechanic that morning.

What's a Lada on top of a hill? A miracle. What' two Ladas on top of a hill? Science-fiction. What's three Ladas on top of a hill? A weird place to build a Lada factory.

I grew up with these Lada jokes and for me Ladas were just something ridiculous and for some reason I can only remember them in this godawful cream colour tinged with rust around every possible edge. Then a couple of years back I visited Georgia and Armenia and I saw moderately well maintained Ladas in black and I have to say there was something very charming about them! Tbilisi can be pretty hilly and steep and I was pretty surprised to see Ladas zipping up and down them with ease, side by side with shiny BMWs and Mercedes[1]. I also loved the GAZ Volga, I think they're a bit rarer though.

[1] there's heaps of new-ish Mercedes, BMW, Audi etc (many right-hand drive) in Georgia which is confusing as it's not a wealthy country at all. I got talking to an Insurance guy who'd told me this is because Georgia is the end of the line for a chain of insurance fraud starting in the UK\Germany, where cars would be "stolen", claimed on insurance and then moved on + re-registered somehow in the next country. This process is repeated until they ended up in Georgia and were sold for a knockdown price because they'd already recouped their money many times over. Ex-USSR countries are really interesting and I'd thoroughly recommend them for a visit, just learn a couple of phrases in the local language or Russian to make things a little smoother :)

Re: Street View, North Korea

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I can't help but notice great the condition of the roads are (probably due to the very few cars there). This road in particular looks well looked after. For a country that has a lot of starving citizens, it is quite surprising. Take a drive through most streets in Los Angeles and you will experience what a poorly maintained road feels like in a supposedly first-world country. Same goes for some roads in my city here…

You can see the same in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan - perfect tarmac in the capital, but outside of it, the road is lousy, even on transit routes (Iran-Uzbekistan) - we cycled there in 2013: http://poab.org/log/c/0/60#2

Re: Street View, North Korea

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I recognize a Soviet car: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/-74CU7C3XYKmnkAtpVwiQA and http://mapillary.com/map/im/StWpR2MuX2z3Xhd1LWd9QQ , that's a 1979+ ВАЗ-2105 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%90%D0%97-2105 It looks (and is) dated, but actually was produced until recently and a common sight in Russia. I wonder how they get there.

Aaaah ВАЗ aka VAZ aka Lada. What is the difference between a Lada and a golf ball? You can drive a golf ball 200 meters. How do Lada drivers recognize each other? They already met at the mechanic that morning.

> Aaaah ВАЗ aka VAZ aka Lada.

a.k.a Fiat 124

BTW, Ladas were (still are) exported to the West and did reasonably well as low-cost vehicles.

Re: Street View, North Korea

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On the same note, here is a surreal 22 min drive through Pyongyang. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4hLctBvojE It pairs well with a few Aphex Twin songs: Heliosphan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z4cLmbw6q0 Flim : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHkUg-QCwk Ageispolis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOf6ICP3WAg It is surreal because it almost makes it possible to forget how may people that regime has starving, w…

What struck me was the lack of life on the streets. Anywhere else I'd expect to see street vendors, buskers, flashy billboards and storefronts, people laughing, but there's none of that. The streets seem purely functional. But they're not bleak either - the landscaping is quite nice, actually. Might just be confirmation bias on my part.

What you describe is capitalism!

Re: Street View, North Korea

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On the same note, here is a surreal 22 min drive through Pyongyang. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4hLctBvojE It pairs well with a few Aphex Twin songs: Heliosphan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z4cLmbw6q0 Flim : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHkUg-QCwk Ageispolis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOf6ICP3WAg It is surreal because it almost makes it possible to forget how may people that regime has starving, w…

At first it didn't seem all that bizarre but a few minutes in you start noticing some interesting things. For instance, the utter lack of traffic lights.

Then there's the bit at about 5:14 where two buses have just gone past a bus stop, but there's still at least a good 50 or so people just waiting there, queuing.

Re: Street View, North Korea

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You dont see many cars I guese because the population is low, even on the streets there are less number of people. By the way the cleanliness and stable roads are much better than India and Vietname and even some US cities. I dont agree with your electricity outage comment since you provided no proof of that.

You're taking one tiny stretch of (empty) road as evidence of the quality of infrastructure across the entire country. India has 2.53 million kilometers of paved road. Vietnam has 148,000 km. The CIA's 2006 estimate for North Korea was 724 kilometers.

Doesn't google/bing maps have NK satellite photos? We could always verify the CIA number to a great extent if said imagery exists.

EDIT: Gotta love the fog/haze over Pyongyang on Google Maps

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pyongyang,+Coreia+do+Norte...

Re: Street View, North Korea

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On the same note, here is a surreal 22 min drive through Pyongyang. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4hLctBvojE It pairs well with a few Aphex Twin songs: Heliosphan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z4cLmbw6q0 Flim : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHkUg-QCwk Ageispolis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOf6ICP3WAg It is surreal because it almost makes it possible to forget how may people that regime has starving, w…

What struck me was the lack of life on the streets. Anywhere else I'd expect to see street vendors, buskers, flashy billboards and storefronts, people laughing, but there's none of that. The streets seem purely functional. But they're not bleak either - the landscaping is quite nice, actually. Might just be confirmation bias on my part.

There you have it, some North Koreans laughing:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/kxxn0by6wur...

Hope you enjoyed it.

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Aaaah ВАЗ aka VAZ aka Lada. What is the difference between a Lada and a golf ball? You can drive a golf ball 200 meters. How do Lada drivers recognize each other? They already met at the mechanic that morning.

> Aaaah ВАЗ aka VAZ aka Lada. a.k.a Fiat 124 BTW, Ladas were (still are) exported to the West and did reasonably well as low-cost vehicles.

I specifically checked to see that these are not Fiat's (at least the headlights are distinctively different)
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