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Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by quotemstr »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #69
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #21

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Every day the envelope gets pushed further and further. This is one of the driving factors behind my shifting view to be behind an unlimited Freedom of Speech/Information viewpoint. No restriction on any speech/information, including monitoring that would have a chilling effect. I realize it isn't perfect, but I think it is better than the alternative. Also, someone needs to take the extreme stance because if the onl…

This is fine for the most privileged, but unlimited speech means unlimited ability for harassment.

Fundamentally, the risk of bad outcomes is the price we pay for living in a free society. I would rather recognize the right of everyone to say anything, and occasionally do great things, than cower behind speech restrictions designed to produce a safe, bland uniformity.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by netheril96 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #58
sooheon wrote: post #9

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It's infuriating to live in a country with such outstanding tech infrastructure to be shackled with these insane policies. Not to mention ActiveX and eight different plugin downloads for nearly any transaction, Spring/Java being considered the cutting edge in web development, and the downright Fascist porn restrictions (no I'm not bitter).

Hey, at least you don't live in China....

As a Chinese citizen, I regular browse the Internet through a VPN server in South Korea just so that I can use Google to solve my technical problems. And Gmail. And stackoverflow. And travis-ci. And GitHub Gist. And Rubygems.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by netheril96 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #58
sooheon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's infuriating to live in a country with such outstanding tech infrastructure to be shackled with these insane policies. Not to mention ActiveX and eight different plugin downloads for nearly any transaction, Spring/Java being considered the cutting edge in web development, and the downright Fascist porn restrictions (no I'm not bitter).

Hey, at least you don't live in China....

As a Chinese citizen, I regular browse the Internet through a VPN server in South Korea just so that I can use Google to solve my technical problems. And Gmail. And stackoverflow. And travis-ci. And GitHub Gist. And Rubygems.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

quotemstr wrote: post #71
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is fine for the most privileged, but unlimited speech means unlimited ability for harassment.

Fundamentally, the risk of bad outcomes is the price we pay for living in a free society. I would rather recognize the right of everyone to say anything, and occasionally do great things, than cower behind speech restrictions designed to produce a safe, bland uniformity.

> I would rather recognize the right of everyone to say anything, and occasionally do great things, than cower behind speech restrictions designed to produce a safe, bland uniformity.

"Safe, bland uniformity"? Lives are at stake. People's safety is at stake.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by guard-of-terra »

curiously wrote: post #53
ygmelnikova wrote: post #34

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What kind of degenerate society likens the restriction of teenager's ability to view porn to Fascism?

Confucius would've loved you

More like a sweet pair of Milonov and Mizulina, judging by her (?) nickname.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by digi_owl »

pki wrote: post #6

>the country's telecoms regulator ordered monitoring applications be installed on the smartphones of Koreans aged 18 and below This is disgusting to read, in all seriousness. Not allowed to have a blog without linking it to their SSN, not allowed to play games without linking it to their SSN, all communications monitored, chat logged.. holy shit. Getting a mobile phone also requires one.. (and that's not even countin…

What is glossed over by most of western media is that SK was a right wing dictatorship until the 90s. And to this day holds a very conservative and paternal attitude.

Likely the reason it gets a pass is because it has the shit can that is NK next door.

In a sense the Korean peninsula is the cold war in a microcosm.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by digi_owl »

sho_hn wrote: post #45
sooheon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's infuriating to live in a country with such outstanding tech infrastructure to be shackled with these insane policies. Not to mention ActiveX and eight different plugin downloads for nearly any transaction, Spring/Java being considered the cutting edge in web development, and the downright Fascist porn restrictions (no I'm not bitter).

The ActiveX thing is sort of an interesting historical accident. As a Korean on this site you probably know the details much better, but for onlookers: Korea decided to develop, specify and make mandatory for ecommerce it's own 128-bit block cipher called SEED, back when the US had a crypto export embargo on crypto past 40bit (Europeans, too, will remember the International Editions of browsers like Netscape Navigato…

I still recall the shitstorm that was PGP. A 128-bit public key encryption system as a downloadable binary. My first encounter with the insanity that is international politics.

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

netheril96 wrote: post #72
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, at least you don't live in China....

As a Chinese citizen, I regular browse the Internet through a VPN server in South Korea just so that I can use Google to solve my technical problems. And Gmail. And stackoverflow. And travis-ci. And GitHub Gist. And Rubygems.

I've given up on VPNs...they just seem to be so flaky that after you pay your one year subscription fee, they are then blocked by the government.

I just use Bing (disclosure: MS employee but would like search engine choice).

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by digi_owl »

innguest wrote: post #68
Forbo wrote: post #33

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I hate to play devil's advocate, but what about things like intellectual property or (ugh, even saying this makes me feel like a scumbag politician) child pornography? I can see the argument for the virtual variety of CP, but what about the real kind? I'm genuinely curious how the unlimited viewpoint can be defended against these types of arguments.

There are very good counter arguments you can easily find online. I'll give you my favorites. For intellectual property, it is not real property. Property is the category of things that are material and can exchange hands. Data, like speech, does not get literally exchanged, but copied. So there's no such thing as intellectual property. Imagine you can memorize whole books. Would that be illegal? What if your friends…

The logic of child porn legislation seems to mimic that of drug laws. Catching the suppliers are hard (multiple jurisdictions etc) so instead catch the consumers and so hope to dry up the market.

Thing is that we are dealing with a mangled sex drive here, and you can't get any more basic than that (the sex drive can even override the drive for self preservation).

The only way to really solve the problem would be to find a way to test for it clinically, and some way to rectify the problem at a neural level. But i wonder what other devils we will uncork if we ever get the means to do so...

Re: Don't text 'beer' in Korea: Words that trigger teen alerts

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Post by vacri »

ygmelnikova wrote: post #64
vacri wrote: post #56

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Nice moving of the goalposts there. An authoritarian intrusion into private behaviour is an example of an activity done by a fascist state, hence the GP's adjective. But your comment converts that into the entire ideology of facism. Also, nice job inserting 'teenagers' into a comment that made no mention of any age group.

As mentioned above, the article is referring to those 'under 18'. Does your 'state' not restrict access to porn magazines for those under 18 now? In Florida it's a felony. Florida Statute 847.012 - Max 5 years. Why? Because it's degenerate, and your state agrees.

Porn magazines? How quaint. Speaking of moving the goalposts again, the porn control in the article is a mandated smartphone app.

And no, my country does not require minors to install state-mandated applications on their smartphones. For any reason, porn or otherwise.

Also, pornography isn't degenerate. It's just sex. Exploitative pornagraphy is bad, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it. But we generally prevent minors from accessing it because they're not emotionally equipped to deal with sex stuff - same reason we have age of consent laws. Or do you also think that sex itself is degenerate, and that's why there are laws around teenagers and who they can have sex with?

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