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Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by Retric »

Retric wrote: post #90
cwyers wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As soon as Dell has a dropdown for nomal vs pro, microsoft is selling windows directly to customers. No, Dell is reselling Windows to the consumer.

Resellers take on risks for unsold inventory; Dell does not take on risks for unsold copies of windows. They do take on those risks for other components. EX: Case screws. PS: This does vary by sales channel. If you buy a dell from best buy they clearly already exist, but if you get a custom dell from their website they buld it after you order it.

I really don't care about downvotes, but it does amuse me when people get pissy about being wrong.

PS: A reseller is a company or individual (merchant) that purchases goods or services with the intention of selling them rather than consuming or using them. This is usually done for profit (but could be resold at a loss). http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reseller

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by veidr »

ZoFreX wrote: post #81
bad_user wrote: post #45

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Full-disk encryption is something people want even if they don't realize it. Android, iOS, OS X and Linux have encryption built in, whereas BitLocker for Windows comes with the Pro version only. Normal people also want Remote Desktop, again, even if they don't realize it. That's how I'm able to debug the problems that my parents are having, from a distance.

> Full-disk encryption is something people want even if they don't realize it. Really? Because it has very limited security advantages, and very real performance impact on many systems. Android L came with it enabled by default and it cut performance in half on devices that weren't designed for it. And why would Joe Public want it? This is something with so many caveats that DPR, a paranoid computer expert with quite…

Device theft by a non-technical perpetrator is incredibly common.

Even just to mitigate against this single specific threat, full-disk encryption on a modern PC is completely worth it, for soccer moms, grandparents and hackers alike.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

g051051 wrote: post #62

> everything from elevators to ATMs to heart rate monitors to wearables I've never been more frightened in my life. Forget the zombie apocalypse, this is the W10 apocalypse.

I can't believe people are downvoting this!

Everyone is OK with Windows running elevators? What's next, pacemakers?

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by hysan »

And suddenly I feel a lot less excited about possibly switching back to Windows. With 10, I was hoping for a single version for everything going forward. But if Microsoft is going to continue splitting their product lines and making it a headache for me to know which versions have the features I need (ex: RDP), I'm just going to not give them a second chance no matter how much they open source. It's just extra grief that I don't need as a normal end user.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by 4ad »

tracker1 wrote: post #67
wvenable wrote: post #11

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An upgrade; the underlying technology in Windows hasn't changed significantly since Vista.

In the same vein... Windows Vista hadn't changed significantly since XP, or XP since 2000, or 2000 since NT 3.5.1, etc. It's all iterative and subject to perspective here.

2003 -> Vista was the big change. All others were minor by comparison.

Plus we were talking about the deployment/upgrade technology.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by 4ad »

bad_user wrote: post #99
Erwin wrote: post #93

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Why can't it be as simple as Linux? If I want Redhat commercial support I simply have to decide between Standard or Premium Subscription with, or without Smart Management, normal or Entry level. Or the version for virtual Datacenters (if you want to run VMs with RHEL inside them the pricing is of course different). That's for x86 32/64 bit -- of course, if you want IBM POWER processor support, that is a different pro…

While for support packages you might be looking at multiple options, Linux distributions generally come in the Awesome edition only.

Correct, it only impacts support, not functionality, while for Windows functionality is impaired.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by cwyers »

Retric wrote: post #111
Retric wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Resellers take on risks for unsold inventory; Dell does not take on risks for unsold copies of windows. They do take on those risks for other components. EX: Case screws. PS: This does vary by sales channel. If you buy a dell from best buy they clearly already exist, but if you get a custom dell from their website they buld it after you order it.

I really don't care about downvotes, but it does amuse me when people get pissy about being wrong. PS: A reseller is a company or individual (merchant) that purchases goods or services with the intention of selling them rather than consuming or using them. This is usually done for profit (but could be resold at a loss). http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reseller

I didn't downvote you. I also don't see how that citation does anything but reinforce the original point -- Dell is buying Windows from Microsoft and reselling it. It's not even a retail product situation, like Best Buy -- Dell isn't selling Windows, it's selling computers that come with Windows. You can't buy the computer at your link without Windows, and you can't buy Windows without the computer through Dell.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by worklogin »

fragmede wrote: post #79
worklogin wrote: post #38

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This is against so many IT security best practices, you're probably breaking a regulation if you're in an industry not dealing with selling jewelry on Etsy.

While you're right, BYOD has been an on-going headache in IT for several years now. It's one thing to say unapproved devices are completely not allowed, but reality is when the CEO brings in their shiny new iPad and demands it get on the office wifi, the iPad gets onto the network (however heavily segmented and firewalled).

BYOD for mobile isn't entirely new, but most people doing that have MDM software that MITM's secure connections (potentially) and keeps all office-related software in a sandbox.

Attaching a desktop to an office network rarely has those same mechanisms.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by ZoFreX »

veidr wrote: post #112
ZoFreX wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Full-disk encryption is something people want even if they don't realize it. Really? Because it has very limited security advantages, and very real performance impact on many systems. Android L came with it enabled by default and it cut performance in half on devices that weren't designed for it. And why would Joe Public want it? This is something with so many caveats that DPR, a paranoid computer expert with quite…

Device theft by a non-technical perpetrator is incredibly common . Even just to mitigate against this single specific threat, full-disk encryption on a modern PC is completely worth it, for soccer moms, grandparents and hackers alike.

And wiping the device and immediately fencing it is also incredibly common. No-one's going to hijack your Facebook and steal your wedding photos.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by Retric »

cwyers wrote: post #117
Retric wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't care about downvotes, but it does amuse me when people get pissy about being wrong. PS: A reseller is a company or individual (merchant) that purchases goods or services with the intention of selling them rather than consuming or using them. This is usually done for profit (but could be resold at a loss). http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reseller

I didn't downvote you. I also don't see how that citation does anything but reinforce the original point -- Dell is buying Windows from Microsoft and reselling it. It's not even a retail product situation, like Best Buy -- Dell isn't selling Windows, it's selling computers that come with Windows. You can't buy the computer at your link without Windows, and you can't buy Windows without the computer through Dell.

Resellers are a specific economic niche. From a customer perspective CostCo and BestBuy are both just stores. However, BestBuy regularly returns unsold inventory to their suppliers where CostCo generally just has to keep lowering their prices or eat the costs.

Dell does not take unsold inventory risks with Windows so it's simply not their business model. Plenty of small PC manufactures do take this risk by buying windows 10 or 100 packs. But, if suddenly more customers want Home vs Pro edition of windows Dell does not end up with unsold inventory and get forced to offer a discount.

PS: The term Authorized Reseller often muddles the issue in people’s minds, but it’s really a different term. The App store is another great example, Apple does not buy a copy of the app before a customer does.

Edit: As to your comment about bundling. Dell does not manufacture their case screws, but they’re not a case screw reseller.

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