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Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Dear Microsoft, Windows 10. Just release Windows 10. No one knows the difference between Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise and Windows 10 Extreme and Windows 10 Cool Ranch Doritos Locos Supreme. Your customers actually don't care. And as long as you keep selling a baffling array of variations on the same product, no one will believe you've turned over a new leaf. Windows 10. With love, Guy on the Internet PS:…

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Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

#92
This is not granular enough. I wonder if the following features are still missing from Windows 10 pro

1. Multi monitor support in RDP

2. Support for mounting NFS mounts

Of course as in the past the compare windows editions will omit important actual differences like these.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

#93

Hah, Microsoft's DNA returns with a vengeance. They tried to change, but couldn't /not/ segment their market, even if it impairs the customer experience. That's the MS we all know and love!

Why can't it be as simple as Linux?

If I want Redhat commercial support I simply have to decide between Standard or Premium Subscription with, or without Smart Management, normal or Entry level. Or the version for virtual Datacenters (if you want to run VMs with RHEL inside them the pricing is of course different). That's for x86 32/64 bit -- of course, if you want IBM POWER processor support, that is a different product with different pricing -- can't expect to use the same licensing model for a different CPU!

And if you want to run Red Hat on a Desktop, that too is a different product.

So in a total, 18 different versions of Linux: https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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post #81

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Full-disk encryption is something people want even if they don't realize it. Android, iOS, OS X and Linux have encryption built in, whereas BitLocker for Windows comes with the Pro version only. Normal people also want Remote Desktop, again, even if they don't realize it. That's how I'm able to debug the problems that my parents are having, from a distance.

> Full-disk encryption is something people want even if they don't realize it. Really? Because it has very limited security advantages, and very real performance impact on many systems. Android L came with it enabled by default and it cut performance in half on devices that weren't designed for it. And why would Joe Public want it? This is something with so many caveats that DPR, a paranoid computer expert with quite…

I think you're wrong on multiple counts ...

1) it has real security advantages, because your PC or device is a single point of failure - lose your (unencrypted) device and the thief can gain access to everything, including your email account, your facebook, your bank account, etc... and for example AES-256 with a good enough password is unbreakable.

2) On the desktop if you have an Intel processor with the AES-NI instructions set, then you won't notice a speed hit. Core i5 is such a processor. And I own a Nexus 6 device that came encrypted by default, never felt sluggish and I have it filled with music, games, presentations and maps.

3) I don't know whom DPR is, however in the US people are protected against key disclosure with the fifth amendment. Of course, the technology is relatively new and the fifth has yet to be proven in court against key disclosure, however there are cases in which this constitutional right has been upheld [1]. And while in many countries you may not be able to resist a court order, you may be able to resist unwarranted searches or seizures; which is still useful, because ...

4) Most people have something to hide and that's undeniable. Even if you're willing to fully cooperate with the authorities, it is undeniable that most public workers are incompetents. So placing your trust in such individuals is very dangerous for one's self being. Let me give you an example ... because of an incompetent public worker, my personal identification details and home address ended up in a local newspaper. That's how identities can be stoles and lifes can be ruined, OK?

Now - do you really want to place your trust, your data (like 10 years old pictures, emails describing your love affairs, search history describing your most secret desires, etc..) into the hands of such people? You'd have to be a fool to wish for this. At least wait for the FBI to come ;-)

5) I'm sick and tired of the "Joe Public" fallacy. People are really not that dumb.

[1] https://www.eff.org/press/releases/appeals-court-upholds-con...

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Considering their abysmal track record, it's pretty clear they don't.

Their abysmal track record? Are we still talking about the biggest, most successful software company in the world, which made all of its mountains of money using exactly this pricing strategy?

Yeah. I mean, just look at this graph!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Operating...

See how no one uses Windows anymore on supercomputers?

Seriously though, the only reason Windows 7 lost market share is because Windows 8.1 came out, according to http://www.statista.com/statistics/272667/market-share-held-...

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Actually, he has a point. Too many choices can harm sales significantly. Granted, in Microsoft's position, it's not as applicable. https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/research-too-many-choi... https://blog.kissmetrics.com/too-many-choices/

There really aren't a lot of choices though. This isn't like Windows 7. If you're running Windows 10 at home you have two options: Home or Pro. That's it.

You know that, but my mom wouldn't know that. To the average customer they may assume that the Home version is the only version applicable to them. The Pro version looks like it's marketed as a business only solution. Bottom line is that it's more confusing than it should be.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Define "Feature Reduced"? Lack of Domain? HyperV? Remote Desktop options? What features are people "losing" with Home that 95% of "Home" users "need"? Sure... You and I can't live without half of those things, but home users generally won't notice - or care - if HyperV is missing. You pay more for Pro/Enterprise because it has added features that Power Users/Businesses need. Glass Half Empty/Full... Potato/Patato...…

Remote Desktop is almost essential for "home" users, as it allows remote guidance through the computer. >You pay more for Pro/Enterprise because it has added features that Power Users/Businesses need. Do you really? When negotiating large licenses with volume discounts, does Microsoft really end up charging more for each install than they do with the Home options? How many consumers pay for the Pro or Enterprise vers…

Remote Desktop is not essential for "home" users, there is Windows Remote Assistance which is way better for that use case. It is based on RDP but can traversal NAT, so Remote Desktop is really not needed for "home" users at all.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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post #81

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> Full-disk encryption is something people want even if they don't realize it. Really? Because it has very limited security advantages, and very real performance impact on many systems. Android L came with it enabled by default and it cut performance in half on devices that weren't designed for it. And why would Joe Public want it? This is something with so many caveats that DPR, a paranoid computer expert with quite…

I think you're wrong on multiple counts ... 1) it has real security advantages, because your PC or device is a single point of failure - lose your (unencrypted) device and the thief can gain access to everything, including your email account, your facebook, your bank account, etc... and for example AES-256 with a good enough password is unbreakable. 2) On the desktop if you have an Intel processor with the AES-NI ins…

1) "AES-256 with a good enough password is unbreakable" is a provably incorrect statement. AES-256 used in ECB mode for example is incredibly breakable. And the modes available to you in FDE are compromises compared to what you would use for encrypting data in flight.

2) Windows is aiming for supporting a lot more than just powerful x86 CPUs though. You implied everyone wants this, not just people with CPUs with AES-NI instructions.

3&4&5) DPR = The guy who ran the silk road. So he had a lot more to hide than most people and was a lot more competent than most people but FDE didn't help him at all. It wasn't key disclosure - his computer was seized while it was still running. I don't think people are all that dumb. I think you need to be very very smart to fully understand the compromises involved with FDE, and if you're that smart you'll rely on something else entirely for the data most important to you.

I also think a lot of people, given the choice between "your data is sort of protected against theft, as long as the system is actually off not just suspended, and assuming you used a strong password" and "your data can be easily recovered when you hose your system and/or forget your password" would pick the latter.

A small side-note regarding key disclosure: not everyone is in the USA. Where I live, it's absolutely definitive that I hand over keys on request or I go to jail :(

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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post #93

Hah, Microsoft's DNA returns with a vengeance. They tried to change, but couldn't /not/ segment their market, even if it impairs the customer experience. That's the MS we all know and love!

Why can't it be as simple as Linux? If I want Redhat commercial support I simply have to decide between Standard or Premium Subscription with, or without Smart Management, normal or Entry level. Or the version for virtual Datacenters (if you want to run VMs with RHEL inside them the pricing is of course different). That's for x86 32/64 bit -- of course, if you want IBM POWER processor support, that is a different pro…

While for support packages you might be looking at multiple options, Linux distributions generally come in the Awesome edition only.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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post #6

I realize Microsoft has to price segment, which requires they call out an "Enterprise" category for Mobile and Laptop/Desktop, but sometimes I wonder if they really need all of these categories. For example, do they really get significant financial value from having a Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Education, Windows 10 Pro? particularly as they are offering it as a free upgrade to Windows 7/8 users. Notice they don't h…

"Pro" is for people that don't have volume licenses but want the business-specific features like domain joining. Remember, Windows 10 may be a free upgrade, but it's not free and I imagine they still make quite a bit of extra money from businesses buying Pro. "Education" looks like it's a discounted volume license available to schools. Not sure what extra features it's going to have but it's not something that anyone…

Does Windows 7 Pro upgrade to Windows 10 Pro?
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