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The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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I'd like to offer a different perspective.

Suicide is a violent crime, the killing of a human being.

Now, if we believe Wikipedia, then around 90% of homicides in the US will be committed by males. It seems reasonable that the male-female ratio should be about the same in the UK.

Then a 0.8 ratio of male to female suicides could be accounted for by the increased male homicide rate alone.

The Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime

Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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I think some people need proper perspective on life. We are all actors playing out silly games of ambition. Achievement is really no different than a life of non-achievement, although your human instincts tell you otherwise. Also there is no such thing as being perfect unless perhaps you are a strong artificial intelligence that is a million times smarter than humans.

And taking your own life isn't such a big deal if it's all just a game. Achievements or none; they won't matter to you when you're in the ground.

Well, if none of it matters, might as well stick around. It's not like you have anything better to do.

Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

#53
This article points out something I've felt intuitively for the last few years.

Can anyone recommend any vacation destinations or some other form of a get-away for a week or two? I've been getting really stressed out lately, probably a burn out. Have been thinking about some sort of a vacation anywhere from a cruise to meditation retreat, can't make up my mind. Any recommendations?

Not to derail this topic but this article outlined some symptoms I have, feel like I need a break.

Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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If I watch an action movie, I am not intimidated by or identify with the cool guy in the movie because I'm not the guy they're portraying. When sitcoms and commercials emasculate and defame the everyman, I know they're talking about me.

daaaaaamn man. You're telling me you don't identify Jerry Seinfeld, you identify with George Costanza? Because when I've seen men get emascualated or mocked on TV, it's due to some jackassery on their part, and I don't feel the need to empathize. Isn't that true for you as well? If there's an over-riding theme in media regarding men that I would report, it's that the consequences they experience are a result of their…

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Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

#55

I think this article puts the euphemism 'social perfectionism' on the subtle, and in some cases blatant anti-male stance that pervades US and UK society today. Sports teams fall over themselves to wear pink for Mother's Day, hardly anyone celebrates Father's Day. [1] Time Magazine publishes an article on how "Men are Obsolete". [2] Politicians routinely trumpet the 77% pay gap despite it being "more complicated than…

For what it's worth, the mid-eighties was peak (male) crime in the US. Remember Bernard Goetz?

Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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This article points out something I've felt intuitively for the last few years. Can anyone recommend any vacation destinations or some other form of a get-away for a week or two? I've been getting really stressed out lately, probably a burn out. Have been thinking about some sort of a vacation anywhere from a cruise to meditation retreat, can't make up my mind. Any recommendations? Not to derail this topic but this a…

Where are you, what's your budget and what do you enjoy?

Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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huh? I hardly feel threatened by basically everything you just listed there. Do you? I get the feeling if you asked most women: "Do you think men are awful?" The answer would be "Yes but we love them anyway." and, to be on a less cutsey point. There was a time in my life where I was seriously depressed, and it was not because I thought society treated men poorly on average. It was because I thought I would have no pl…

haha, wow. That was at +5. You MRA guys don't mess around!

It's dangerous to make assumptions about why a comment was downvoted. Such assumptions can lead to a growing gulf of misunderstanding and resentment, even to seeing enemies where there are none.

Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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This article points out something I've felt intuitively for the last few years. Can anyone recommend any vacation destinations or some other form of a get-away for a week or two? I've been getting really stressed out lately, probably a burn out. Have been thinking about some sort of a vacation anywhere from a cruise to meditation retreat, can't make up my mind. Any recommendations? Not to derail this topic but this a…

Where are you, what's your budget and what do you enjoy?

I am in TX with a budget of ~1500 for a week or two. The longer and cheaper alone time is better. What do I like, you know I've been so slammed and in my head that I can't even pick a vacation spot or remember what I like. I think I'd enjoy just some peace somewhere, disconnected from it all for a week or two.

Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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I don't understand this. In most stories, arn't protagonists primarily male? Arn't they typically courageous, or intelligent, or unyielding, or strong, or determined? I don't understand.

Look at some of the stories from the media. Some airlines will not allow males sit next to unaccompanied children. A theme park bans single males from bird watching, "in case they are predators". Female sexual assaults are disgusting while male sexual assaults are funny, to most people. If a little girl has a problem, it is immediately attended to, whereas if a little boy has a problem, he is told to "be a man and su…

Going off of that Vice article, sometimes I think that a 40/60 ratio of men to women would be favorable... it'd probably reflect the proportions of our hunter gatherer ancestry, and a lot of psychological benefits would come with that I'd imagine.

But everything else she said was extremely misandrist and sexist.

Re: The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

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Where are you, what's your budget and what do you enjoy?

I am in TX with a budget of ~1500 for a week or two. The longer and cheaper alone time is better. What do I like, you know I've been so slammed and in my head that I can't even pick a vacation spot or remember what I like. I think I'd enjoy just some peace somewhere, disconnected from it all for a week or two.

My biggest suggestion would be to get out in nature. Unless you are really opposed to spending a decently long time without creature comforts then I think this is one of the best things.

Another piece of advice is to stay away from crowds like you pointed out. There is a seemingly infinite amount of destinations that could satisfy this requirement too.

Best of luck! I hope you find something suited to you and feel refreshed after getting back.

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