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Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#231

Great idea. This will probably be up there with the invaluable-ness of Adblock. I have nothing against companies like the Wall Street Journal who want to charge visitors to see content, but if you are going to paywall content at least be consistent and charge everyone or don't charge at all. You can't give it away to visitors from Google and expect people who weren't lucky enough to come from Google to have to pay. I…

You can. It's a form of price discrimination. Like coupons in a supermarket. People who really want to pay less will jump through the hoop. If you just want it conveniently and don't care about the cost, you can subsidise those others. In a way this is more fair - it means people pay closer to what the money is worth for them.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#232

Attention, everybody who publishes on the web: Selectively requiring authentication (based on referrer, user-agent, cookies, etc.) is not a supported feature of the internet. If you want to go ahead and implement it anyway, that's fine - but it's pointless to get mad when it doesn't really work the way you hoped it would.

Sure it is. Depends on your definition of authentication. But it's totally a "supported feature of the internet".

This plugin isn't fundamentally different than spoofing a session cookie.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it is true. For a single payment to Spotify you get access to music from all four major record labels. OTOH paying for a subscription to a single newspaper is like subscribing separately to Sony, EMI, Warner Music Group, and Universal. Not gonna happen.

I think they would be much better off with the Spotify model. I would happily pay a monthly fee for a collection of all the major newspapers.

That depends on the price.

I just checked out WSJ and NY Times. After promo, WSJ is $29/month. That's whether or not you want actual paper or just digital access. NY Times has various plans, one of the cheapest is about $16/month. So that's just two newspapers.

I'd gladly pay $20 or even $30 per month for full access to all the major newspapers. But the big papers would never agree to that, because their individual cuts of the pie would probably be too small.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#234
post #227

I'd rather have a plugin that just ensured I never went to these sites at all. Or a list to drop in my hosts file.

While I don't have a list of paywall sites, I've been compiling one of Weaponized Viral Clickbait sites generally and the Spartz network (see the New Yorker's profile of the "Virologist" from a few months back) specifically.

This is in addition to a set of blocklists curated from the uMatrix Chrome extension.

    0.0.0.0			knowd.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.greenmedinfo.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.heavy.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			freepatriot.org		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.uproxx.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			tcr.tynt.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			slightlyviral.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			pro.moneymappress.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			pro1.moneymappress.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			weknowmemes.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.shareable.net	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.thisblewmymind.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.tsu.co		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.upworthy.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.distractify.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			news.distractify.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.evwow.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			evwow.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.wimp.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			livelol.me		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.scoopwhoop.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			bustle.com		# WVC http://www.bustle.com/articles/62365-there-are-no-words-for-how-horrifying-this-unknown-creature-found-in-a-tuna-can-is
    0.0.0.0			www.bustle.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.tickld.com		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.zmescience.com 	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.addictinginfo.org 	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.viralnova.com	# WVC
    0.0.0.0			opter.co		# WVC
    0.0.0.0			www.sliptalk.com	# WVC https://plus.google.com/u/1/+IrreverentMonk/posts/cuNpUdErc7V
    0.0.0.0			sliptalk.com		# WVC
    # Spartz:  http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/01/05/virologist
    0.0.0.0			www.brainwreck.com	# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.dose.com		# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.unfriendable.com	# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.smartphowned.com	# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			smartphowned.com	# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.givesmehope.com	# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			givesmehope.com		# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.philosoraptors.com	# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			philosoraptors.com	# Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.lolbrary.com        # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.omgfacts.com        # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			notsafeforwallet.net    # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			sex.omgfacts.com        # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.itsamememario.com   # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.whenuseeit.com      # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			memes.mugglenet.com     # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.mugglenet.com       # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.memeslanding.com    # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.pokestache.com      # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.ragestache.com      # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.sixbillionsecrets.com # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			smartphowned.hollywood.com # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.hollywood.com       # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.tasteofawesome.com  # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			www.thatssotrue.com     # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			unfriendable.hollywood.com # Spartz network
    0.0.0.0			love.givesmehope.com    # Spartz network

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#237
post #21

Good idea, but does not work with Financial Times.

Hi! I work for Financial Times.

We've started experimenting with First Click Free — soon you'll get one article a day for free if you come from Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn or Reddit.

We'd like to let Google index more of our content (which will require allowing First Click Free from Google as well), but that depends on our other efforts, such as launch of a redesigned desktop site (you should try the beta, it's pretty cool) and technology changes behind mobile sites.

Of course we'll keep First Click Free if it leads to more readers subscribing rather than just faking referrers.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#238
post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very nice approach. I didn't know that Google had that auto-redirect feature. But it's not working reliably for me. Frequently, when I click the bookmarklet, it gets stuck on a blank page. Does it work every time for you?

> I didn't know that Google had that auto-redirect feature. It uses the functionality of the "I feel lucky" button. It will only work if the site has been indexed by Google, but that's usually the case with news pages that show such fake paywall messages. Btw. please Google fix your frontpage, you serve an unformatted text message (IE9-11): http://s7.postimg.org/52fu9wbdn/google_bug.png

As you can see it's still loading. Let it load.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#240
post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's wonderful that the NYT made a difference, but that certainly doesn't prove your point. > original content that these orgs churn out that other sites repackage and repurpose. What percentage of their content are truly original, first-to-break stories? Really, be honest. Now how much of their content are fluff/opinion pieces, rehashes of the last month of stories, and info that has been 'repackaged and rep…

It seems like you're arguing about different things. donohoe took issue with you saying the NYT isn't relevant, and you are stating that people's unwillingness to pay equates with irrelevance. I don't buy that. Many new media sites don't even have reporters in the field - just lots of writers in a room that rewrite what these "legacy" orgs do. So if they disappeared people absolutely would notice, the connection just…

For the record, my original comment never mentioned the NYT. I said, "large news/opinion organizations, especially those who started in print and are trying to maintain their business models, have become irrelevant." donohoe responded with an article in the NYT that caused the NY governor to take action on something. At best, that illustrates that they wrote a good article. It does nothing to provide an answer to my original comment. So yes, I argued one thing, and he argued something totally different so that he wouldn't have to answer the tougher question.

> That people are not currently willing to pay for it doesn't mean that it's irrelevant, just that the correct business model has not yet been found.

Just like the MPAA and RIAA a decade ago, they have been fighting market pressure rather than taking the hint and changing their business models. They want to keep the same profits they received from their captive audiences of yesterday, and they don't understand that people don't need to pay historical rates for the vast majority of the information they offer.

If the NYT fits that description, then I would love to see a reason why my conclusion doesn't apply to them. They certainly aren't relevant because of their name alone, are they? So I would truly like to know what percentage of their content comes from the real NYT reporters in the field, versus internet research, AP feeds, rehashes of yesterday's news, etc.

Joe Q. Public certainly doesn't miss out when he avoids paywalls. He typically gets better (and faster) information through his RSS feed than he ever has by reading the NYT directly. They might offer a unique opinion, or an extra line from an interview, but it's rarely vital information. He's not going to pay monthly for the privilege of reading an article written by a 'distinguished journalist' when it's really all about the information, not the prose. So what does that leave? Exclusive photos? Infographics? Op-ed?

I really don't mean to imply that journalists who go into dangerous situations aren't worth being paid. They certainly are doing important work. But to imply that the ones employed by one news corporation are any better than the others is just silly. They are all witnessing the same event from different angles, and I now have the ability to see the situation from the eyes of ALL of them through multiple sites (often within hours), not just the one who graces my newspaper's front page every morning.

So in the end, they have built a business on being a person's sole channel for world news, but the average person has many many many more channels available today. If they don't change their business model (indeed, their entire way of thinking about news), they will become unnecessary, extraneous, pointless... irrelevant.

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