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Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now there's a stinging criticism of HN. Sorry habosa. You're not popular enough to do disruptive things.

Too true. I'd love to see what Hacker News comments would look like if all comments were anonymous for the first 6 hours...

Hm. That is an unbelievably charming idea for an experiment. Does HN ever do April Fools' day experiments? That would seem worth it for the introspective value alone...

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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post #3

Source code: https://gist.github.com/jashkenas/9a4d9e648eb11aab394e

Could you give more information on how do some websites react to a google referer?

I've seen some websites highlight your search terms for you. It's kinda useful, but it's also kinda creepy at the same time.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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post #43
post #37

Disappointed in you Jeremy. Its fair for many here to complain about some of the online advertising practices of publishers. However the viable alternative it to pivot to some form of subscription model. Its a hard transition and many orgs are making risky changes to do better. Extensions like these are a step backwards. If you value the work you should support it. See bio for usual disclaimers

Not a fan of the shaming... If news orgs value their journalists and the future of the profession, they should experiment with more daring models, rather than ones that simply maximally enrich the org under the same old model EDIT: imho a model that falls apart legally under a browser extension that fits in a 40-line gist is nothing on which to base the livelihoods of a bunch of people

The model doesn't fall apart legally because it can be trivially circumvented. Any more than the model of renting bikes falls apart legally if people just don't bring the bikes back, or the model of selling software licenses falls apart legally because people can easily copy it. You can base the livelihoods of people on these things, provided the amount of circumvention remains low.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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Really? With a Google™ in the name, too? What do you think is going to happen in the next two hours? 1) They'll take down your extension because you're violating their ToS and their trademark 2) The extension will already piss off their "partners", but they can't really say that's the reason they're taking it down, so good thing you provided them with option 1)! I have nothing against the extension itself. I search f…

I don't see how he is violating the trademark (though that ™ should be a ®).

It seems like Google recommends using ™ for most of their trademarks. Their website says that laws about using ® vary from country to country and there are sometimes harsh penalties for using it with an unregistered trademark. It seems at least OK to use ™ if you are unsure.

http://www.google.com/permissions/trademark/our-trademarks.h...

http://www.google.com/permissions/trademark/rules.html

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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post #37

Disappointed in you Jeremy. Its fair for many here to complain about some of the online advertising practices of publishers. However the viable alternative it to pivot to some form of subscription model. Its a hard transition and many orgs are making risky changes to do better. Extensions like these are a step backwards. If you value the work you should support it. See bio for usual disclaimers

how would you feel about an extension that simply removed hyperlinks to paywalled pages, or highlighted them in a different colour? (serious question; I've been tempted to make one simply because I feel that publishers are welcome to paywall their sites, but then I don't want them on "my" web.)

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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post #84

Interesting. I posted a Chrome extension that did the same thing a while back (WSJ specific) and HN unanimously told me I was in the wrong, so I took it down. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8109987 This time the comments seem to be mostly positive.

Wow, those comments are really odd. Every time a WSJ article is submitted here a comment contains a link to avoid the paywall, and every single time people are grateful.

I can't help but wonder if that was a bit of brigading...

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#117
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now there's a stinging criticism of HN. Sorry habosa. You're not popular enough to do disruptive things.

Too true. I'd love to see what Hacker News comments would look like if all comments were anonymous for the first 6 hours...

I think you should suggest this idea to the admins. I know PG stepped down but this seems like something he might have been in favor of.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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post #107
post #84

Interesting. I posted a Chrome extension that did the same thing a while back (WSJ specific) and HN unanimously told me I was in the wrong, so I took it down. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8109987 This time the comments seem to be mostly positive.

If it makes you feel better, I feel that both extensions are wrong. If you enjoy reading the WSJ, you should pay for it. They do some really great business reporting and it's not that expensive.

Fine you can have a paywall but then you won't get the free organic traffic from Google. WSJ tries to have it both ways.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

#119

Really? With a Google™ in the name, too? What do you think is going to happen in the next two hours? 1) They'll take down your extension because you're violating their ToS and their trademark 2) The extension will already piss off their "partners", but they can't really say that's the reason they're taking it down, so good thing you provided them with option 1)! I have nothing against the extension itself. I search f…

I don't see how he is violating the trademark (though that ™ should be a ®).

> I don't see how he is violating the trademark

AFAIK, without a trademark license, using it to promote your product (including using it as part of your product name) is generally a violation of trademark. Nominal fair use allows you to use the trademark to refer to the thing that trademark names in descriptive text, but not generally as part of the name of your product.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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post #110
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it makes you feel better, I feel that both extensions are wrong. If you enjoy reading the WSJ, you should pay for it. They do some really great business reporting and it's not that expensive.

> I feel that both extensions are wrong. I feel that discriminating based on referrer is wrong. Or IP address. Or geographic location. Or user agent. More than that, discriminating based on those things is really flimsy. A website should provide the same content regardless of what browser you're using or where you're coming from.

I'm not saying I think the WSJ's paywall is a good idea (I don't), but if they want to try to make money to support their (largely very good) journalism that way, I don't think it's very nice for someone else to publish a tool that automatically subverts the paywall for countless other users.
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