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Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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I was curious so I googled him and saw he created Coffeescript, backbone.js and underscore.js. Is there part of his background I'm missing that makes this funny. Seriously I don't get it and it's bugging me :)

The backbone.js stuff was during NYT work if I recall.

That's not quite correct. Both Backbone.js and Underscore.js were extracted from DocumentCloud — a nonprofit organization.

But I am currently a Graphics Editor at the NYT...

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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That granularity exists -- it's called activeTab: https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/activeTab (Though it might not be possible to modify the referer with activeTab alone :/)

Nifty tip. Let's try it, and see if it works. Edit : Sorry bud. I gave it a shot, and `activeTab` doesn't allow you to modify the "Referer" header.

Yeah, if you really want to do this, you can use chrome.permissions with "optional_permissions" set in your manifest requesting all urls -- then call permissions.request() on invocation to add a specific host.

See: https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/permissions

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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Not to defend the NYT craziness, but that plan somewhat exists in the weekend print edition and should save you money, too. Subscribe, check the box in your account to have them donate your paper copy to a school or library, and enjoy access on all of your devices.

I didn't see that option when I signed up a few years ago. When I look at my account now, the only place I see that option is when requesting Vacation Suspension. Do you happen to know if there's a place on the website to set this indefinitely? I guess I can call.

I'm on permanent vacation as far as the NYT knows

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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I think the real "issue" here is that those paywalled content publishers want to get paid but also want the free advertising that comes with having a well indexed site. It's a pretty interesting subject in my opinion because I can easily see arguments for both sides, and if we compare it to the real world we have the exact same "issue. I can read an article that's on the newspaper's first page when it sits in the new…

>> "If there was a way for me to get what I want by paying quickly, maybe using some sort of a federated payment platform (much like downloading apps doesn't require subscribing) I'd be more inclined to pay." Isn't this what Flattr tried (and failed) to do?

Flattr is more about donations, not payments. As far as I know, you can't detect if the person has flattred your page.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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Sorry to hear that, Michael. Subscription models are great, and paywalls are great. What's not so great is creating an internet where if you use our Trusted Corporate Partner™ you're allowed to view a public webpage, and if you come from anywhere less privileged on the internet, you're not. That's not sustainable. Lest we fall into a vortex where you're only allowed to browse the public web by logging in through Face…

... if you use our Trusted Corporate Partner™ No. Not like that. Basically, its Google saying publishes must do this or they won't send traffic their way (via search result / SEO) Its not publishers saying use Google over Bing over Yahoo etc. Lest we fall into a vortex where you're only allowed to browse the public web by logging in through Facebook The other argument that this may hold water is similar exceptions wh…

> No. Not like that. Basically, its Google saying publishes must do this or they won't send traffic their way (via search result / SEO)

Links published --anywhere, not just Google-- for content behind paywalls are called ads.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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That granularity exists -- it's called activeTab: https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/activeTab (Though it might not be possible to modify the referer with activeTab alone :/)

Nifty tip. Let's try it, and see if it works. Edit : Sorry bud. I gave it a shot, and `activeTab` doesn't allow you to modify the "Referer" header.

You could dynamically (and temporarily - use chrome.permissions.remove when the tab navigates or closes) request the webRequest permission for the current host when the user clicks the browser action icon. Yes, that would mean clicking again to confirm whenever the user wants to use the extension, although it's possible that Chrome will remember what permissions have been granted and not prompt the user for future use on the same site.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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It would be nice if Google could make some of the Chrome permissions a bit more fine-grained. This one needs to "read and change your data on all websites", but with a better extensions architecture could be something much less scary like "read and change your data on the current website whenever you click the extension's icon".

Alternatively, it would be good if extensions could have a whitelist and/or blacklist of sites that they are enabled on, with most extensions having a default blacklist of all financial sites, banks, brokerages, email accounts, etc. Perhaps also create a way for corporations to blacklist their intranets. It makes me very nervous that if some extension owner sells out to the wrong person, suddenly they could see my pr…

Agreed -- see this never-ending Chrome bug: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=177351

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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Disappointed in you Jeremy. Its fair for many here to complain about some of the online advertising practices of publishers. However the viable alternative it to pivot to some form of subscription model. Its a hard transition and many orgs are making risky changes to do better. Extensions like these are a step backwards. If you value the work you should support it. See bio for usual disclaimers

I used to be a freelance writer. I love writing. I wrote for several magazines, a daily, and a weekly. I even consulted at a newspaper back in the 80s installing desktop publishing capabilities.

I love printed media.

Printed media is also dead.

I wish this were not the case, and I know lots of folks are trying really hard to prevent its complete destruction, but heck if I can see a way forward.

Google is not the magic gateway to the internet, and sites that treat it like it is will have this happen to them, just like the sun follows rain.

I do not enjoy pointing these facts out, and I worry tremendously about the quality of journalism, writing, and online discourse. But the facts are the facts. This has been a losing battle long enough for all of us to figure out how it ends.

Re: Wait, Google Sent Me

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Disappointed in you Jeremy. Its fair for many here to complain about some of the online advertising practices of publishers. However the viable alternative it to pivot to some form of subscription model. Its a hard transition and many orgs are making risky changes to do better. Extensions like these are a step backwards. If you value the work you should support it. See bio for usual disclaimers

I'm a bit curious. I was under the impression that changing your site to show different content to "Google" than "regular users" was against TOS and could get you banned from results all together. Do big companies pay to get around these restrictions or have there been rule changes in Google Search?

Google is OK with it as long as you show the same content to a user going through Search as you do to the bot. They don't care if you show different things to users coming through other sources or directly hitting the URL.
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