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The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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The driver is not the problem of cars. It is the fact that in average 1,5 t and 10 m2 are used to transport 100 kg and 1 m2. Driverlessness does not change the bad physics of car transportation decisively.

That's not the problem it is trying to solve. The problem description is: drivers cause accidents.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Does the Google car not do parking?

Navigating places like parking lots, drive-thrus, garages, driveways, off-road, etc., gets pretty arbitrary. There's not much a self-driving car could even do for you, so manual controls will always be necessary.

I suspect passengers will be dropped off and the car will take itself to an automated parking lot. Likely pull onto a platform and get parked in a dense vertical 'parking farm'. Alternatively it could be put in 'rental mode' for x hours.

However if it is a taxi, it will likely go on to its next fare.

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So it's OK for Google to record license plates, but it's flip-out time when the police do it?

Of course. The most google can do: send you ads for shovels. The most police can do: pull you in for murder because they correlated your car to where and when some body was buried.

The police can subpoena Google's records, and now Google is just a proxy for the police.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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A long long ago a science fiction story with self-driving cars had that scenario. Everyone jaywalked all the time because it was perfectly safe.

And if there were no self-important driver to get pissed off, would "jaywalking" even be a thing? If the first automobile drivers had been poor folks with little political power (haha yeah right), "jaywalking" would never have been made a crime in the first place. Some streets will have heavy pedestrian traffic; the rational robot routes around them to lower-traffic streets.

I find your post somewhat detuned from reality. For instance, jaywalking is rarely a crime. Also, jaywalking becoming a thing was precisely related to cars becoming federated to the "poor folks with little political power" because in many communities, there is heavy car traffic that was prioritized over walking due to damn near everyone having at least one car.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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I want to hear the argument about people who want to drive. I enjoy driving. I like driving cars. I still drive a manual and will not buy an automatic transmission. I participate in car clubs and I compete in autocross events. I enjoy automotive photography and I do my own maintenance on my vehicles. What happens to people like me who actually enjoy driving and the act of owning a car? Do my loves get phased out beca…

I want to hear the argument about people who want to ride. I enjoy riding. I like riding horses. I still ride a horse and will not buy an automobile. I participate in riding clubs and I compete in horse racing events. I enjoy horse photography and I do my own hoof maintenance on my steeds. What happens to people like me who actually enjoy riding and the act of owning a horse? Do my loves get phased out because the ma…

Funny analogy but it doesn't quite work here. Driverless cars are still cars. They both still use the same roads and infrastructure.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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A long long ago a science fiction story with self-driving cars had that scenario. Everyone jaywalked all the time because it was perfectly safe.

Are you talking about a vernor vinge story? I can't remember the name.

Rainbows End by Vinge, 2007 or so. They didn't stop, they just avoided you.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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The driver is not the problem of cars. It is the fact that in average 1,5 t and 10 m2 are used to transport 100 kg and 1 m2. Driverlessness does not change the bad physics of car transportation decisively.

It sorta kinda might, if the cars have high utilization and don't need to park at their passengers' destinations.

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I want to hear the argument about people who want to drive. I enjoy driving. I like driving cars. I still drive a manual and will not buy an automatic transmission. I participate in car clubs and I compete in autocross events. I enjoy automotive photography and I do my own maintenance on my vehicles. What happens to people like me who actually enjoy driving and the act of owning a car? Do my loves get phased out beca…

From a sentimental perspective, I hear you. I've also enjoyed driving, taking care of my car, etc. That said, the idea that some things need to be preserved isn't going to keep human-driven cars in the mainstream if the world wants to go in a different direction. Take a look at newspapers -- I have no fewer than 5 relatives bemoaning the collapse of physical newspapers. Because nostalgia. It's decidedly more efficien…

I have an issue with the efficiency argument. Far too often when things driven by efficiency reach a certain 'point', the density of effort put into it plummets and so does quality (food, music, ...). I'm biased toward old, non automated way of doing things, because people do care about the craft/art and that's where the value is. I'd run a mile to buy a newspaper if the journalists are worth it. Sure, these industry don't thrive like they used to when the underlying tech was the best or only one, but that's a hard fact of nature.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Come to think of it. Imagine driving a car yourself on a road full of self-driving cars. You would be able to drive as fast as you like and cut off anybody without ever being afriad of retaliation. Self-driving cars will always let you in because they do not want to cause a collision.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Automatically != instantaneously. You'd have to make sure the car is far away enough that speed(car)^2/distance(you, car) You can't play blindfolded frogger. EDIT: "friction" is a better function name than "mu", even though we all feel nostalgic for high school physics.

There is a table saw that stops the blade the instant it senses the capacitance of a finger. It completely ruins the saw but saves the finger. Something like that could work here if the car could see the pedestrian far enough in advance to stay within parameters. Ruins the road and the car not the pedestrian.

If you stop the car instantly that's equivalent to a crash for the car occupants.
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