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The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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One thing I'm looking forward to with self-driving cars is to be able to step into a street anywhere and have all the traffic stop automatically. Every inch of street now becomes a crosswalk. Even highways. (This is an ironic statement)

I'm looking forward to when all of the self-driving cars will be so good at avoiding accidents that you can just take a manually-driven car and blast down the center of the road at 10-20 mph over the speed limit and watch all of the self-driven cars just move out of your way.

Yep!

... until the smart-grid notices the disturbance in regular traffic flow and auto-notifies the authorities that there's something weird going on on Oak Ln. every Monday morning during rush hour... ;)

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Keep in mind that every autocar will have an extremely accurate recording of the accident that can be analyzed and played back during a hearing. Determining fault will be trivial in almost all cases.

Is "autocar" a thing? The ambiguity between automatic/automobile/autonomous really makes me hope a better word surfaces. Self-driving car is a bit too long.

In France a 'car' is a name for non public buses, a diminutive of 'autocar'.

Maybe nowadays car will be demoted to semimobile, or Human Driven Car.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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I'll admit that every time I see one of the self driving cars, I'm tempted to do something crazy nearby to see what it does, like cut it off or swerve towards it. So far I've been a responsible adult and not done that But it's so tempting. Until I think of all the lives I will put in danger. Maybe they can invite me to a test track so I can be an a-hole to the self driving car in a safe and controlled environment. :)

Why is it that we feel this strong urge to mess with robots? They may exact their revenge one day.

Possibly because of this effect.

http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/assets/machete_juggling.gif

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Manual driven cars will not disappear, what will happen is Insurance will go through the roof as more self-driving cars are added to the roads. There will be some roads declared for self-driven cars only and some that will allow both. Enjoy your cars now!

I haven't thought about how this affects car insurance. Who has the liability for collisions? Manufacturer? Owner? Last mechanic who serviced it?

""" While it may seem harsh that the 31st-century equivalent of "Driving Under the Influence" carries with it the death penalty, this is due to an inherent inequivalency between MOUI and DUI. With DUI, you need only climb into your vehicle while under the influence of alchohol or drugs and attempt to drive it home.

With MOUI you must disable a number of safety systems designed to prevent idiots like you from manually operating their vehicles while inebriated, overtired, wasted, decaffeinated, angry, emotionally distraught, or suffering from hormonal disorders like PMS or testosterone poisoning (the latter having been positively identified as a leading cause of stupidity among males between the ages of puberty and death). After disabling the safety systems (which task almost certainly requires ice-cold sobriety), you must decide to switch the vehicle to a manual mode of operation. In some cases, this requires installing a manual mode of operation.

After this demonstration of superior technical skills and poor judgement, you must then deliberately impair your defective judgement further by quaffing, inhaling, injecting, or otherwise consuming something mildly toxic (or, in some precedent-setting cases, breaking up with your girlfriend.)

At this point you might argue that you are no longer responsible for your actions, which actions include climbing into your vehicle and attempting to pilot it home. Technically, this is true. The prosecution will counter by arguing that it isn't Manual Operation Under the Influence that you are going to be humanely (if rather publicly) executed for. It's the fact that you deliberately made such an irresponsible act POSSIBLE by putzing around with your ride. You know those signs that say "don't putz around with this system -- serious injury or death could result?" Well, they were talking about YOUR death, and it is now resulting. """ (http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2002-08-29) ;)

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Every time I hear about the amazingly low accident rates in current generation self-driving cars I'm reminded of this joke (unfortunately I can't remember the source): Grandpa, what did you do before self-driving cars? Well, we just drove them ourselves. We just needed a little practice and to take a test. Wow, and nobody got killed!? Oh, no, millions of people died.

I can already imagine intense debates about whether to outlaw human-driven cars in a (perhaps not so) distant future.

Probably very unlikely unless you solve poverty.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #4

One thing I'm looking forward to with self-driving cars is to be able to step into a street anywhere and have all the traffic stop automatically. Every inch of street now becomes a crosswalk. Even highways. (This is an ironic statement)

It might eventually just look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlyOom0bwwY

Multi agent research looks like this :

https://youtu.be/5lz_HnOLBW4?t=166

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #4

One thing I'm looking forward to with self-driving cars is to be able to step into a street anywhere and have all the traffic stop automatically. Every inch of street now becomes a crosswalk. Even highways. (This is an ironic statement)

A long long ago a science fiction story with self-driving cars had that scenario. Everyone jaywalked all the time because it was perfectly safe.

I imagine there will be pissed passengers in the car who are sitting stopped for far too long because some jackass things he's above traffic laws. I suspect the self-driving car will also usher the age of people getting beat up for fucking with self-driving cars.

There's a million social elements here we haven't explored. Imagine driving through a ghetto and lots of people rush over to your car to rob you (or worse). Your car will happily brake for them, when a human would have recognized the situation and accelerated and veered off to avoid them. Or weird edges cases like garbage on the road or somesuch and the car not being able to outmaneuver it because it may be illegal, but a human with a more lax acceptance of traffic laws will veer into the right lane close to another car to avoid it.

Or just the daily grind of speed limits. On the expressways I drive the posted speed is 65-70 yet most everyone does 80-85. Doing a steady 60-65mph because of how laws were written to get speeding ticket revenue might be annoying. Especially if you're the only non-human driven car and everyone is speeding past you and honking because you're not going the speed of traffic.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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What completely infuriates me is pedestrian crossings that don't automatically allow pedestrians to cross when the lights are in a state that would allow it.

Are you asking why peds are required to press a button at some intersections for a walk signal? If so, consider that some intersections may require a long time (~45 seconds) for a ped to cross. When no one is crossing, this may be sub-optimal and a shorter time for that specific light combination should be used.

Nobody should have built an intersection anywhere that big, then. But such behaviors are totally infuriating in places where there are many pedestrians, for example all of the stations on the SF Muni's T-Third line require passengers to push the button to cross the street after disembarking at center platforms. These crossings are not far (only half of a moderately wide street) but they don't have a pedestrian walk phase by default. If you haven't pushed the button you get to just stand there for another cycle. Example:

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.790723,-122.390108,3a,75y,92...

As you can see, the street-view car has captured a brilliant scene. Traffic is jammed. Many pedestrians are waiting to cross. The guy in the Mini is either going to run the light or stop in the crosswalk. The person in the white minivan has somehow managed to drive up the street car tracks. And for the topping, someone has blocked the bike lane with a portable sign.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can already imagine intense debates about whether to outlaw human-driven cars in a (perhaps not so) distant future.

Probably very unlikely unless you solve poverty.

It's a myth that poor people drive. They depend on biking, walking, bumming rides from their friends and relatives, and public transportation.
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